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indyaviator(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

John,

You sure are wound tight aren't you.  It seems as though every group has at least one.  



It is my opinion that comparing other designs to our beloved Kolbs is certainly relevant on this list.  If it offends you, hit delete.  You knew what this thread was about simply by the subject line.  You did not have to read it if  bothers you so. 



Bryan Dever



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On Dec 17, 2007 6:30 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]        Bet you could get all that info and even more over at the  Challenger List.

  

 Challenger wannabie! 

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

Hi Bryan:

  

 Wound tight!!!  Naw.  Not me.

  

 I have a feeling you took my signature block the wrong  way, as me calling you a Challenger Wannabie.  Not at all.  I was down  in Wetumpka at my gal friend's eating pork chops tonight.  Was reading my  mail and saw my post to the Kolb List.  Figured somebody was gonna take the  sig block the wrong way.

  

 Sorry about that.

  

 Should have redone it, more like:

  

 signed:

  

 Challenger Wannabie or Anonymous Challenger  Wannabie

  

 BTW:  I don't think there is much to compare between  a Kolb and a Challenger.  Guess that is why a Challenger never appealed to  me.  And.........if I wanted to know more about Challengers, I think I  would go over to the Challenger List to find out.

  

 All this Challenger info in the recent past, and I have  not learned anything about a Challenger that I wanted.

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

  

  You sure are wound tight aren't you.  It seems as though every  group has at least one. 



 Bryan Dever 

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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

In a message dated 12/17/2007 7:34:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  indyaviator(at)gmail.com writes:

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		  John,

You sure are wound tight aren't you.  It seems as though    every group has at least one. 



	


 

 Bryan, At least One of What?

  

  

 Steve  B

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

John,

You sure are wound tight aren't  you.>>

  

 Bryan,

 if you REALLY want to get John going ask him about  Vortex Generators........

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat  

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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

This Challenger's empty weight is nearly 800 pounds (!!),>>



Good grief, no wonder he can`t climb. I weigh 0ver 200lbs, probably more 

with my flying kit on, and my Challenger with a 503 delivered a climb of 

better than 500 ft per min. for the first 500ft and just a little less to 

1000ft..



It is no good just applying rudder in a Challenger. She just ignores it. You 

have to get some stick into it as well.



I should get your friend to embark on a course of Full English Breakfasts. 

Eggs,bacon, sausage,black pudding,fried bread, tomatoes. Followed by toast 

and marmalade. After about 3 weeks he will have added another 20 lbs to his 

weight and won`t be able get the Challenger off the ground at all and will 

probably prolong his life quite a bit. As he is it is an accident waiting to 

happen.



Cheers



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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challe

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  

Guess that is why a Challenger never appealed to  me.  And.........if I wanted to know more about Challengers, I think I  would go over to the Challenger List to find out.

  

	


Don't go an do something rash !   Besides, the you would just scare yourself learning about Challengers...  Just reading about Challengers makes me want to give up flying take up something safe like motorcycle racing.



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jstewart(at)inebraska.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger

I've listened politely for a month now, holding my tongue.  

	What a load of crap.  There are over 3500 Challengers out there.

Probably the most successful design behind the Quicksilver (but hasn't gone

out of business 4~5 times).  If you want something with a bigger tail, more

robust landing gear, and easier entrance/exit then the new LSS Challenger

takes care of all those issues.  

	But, that's not what you're here for.  Like John says, if you want

to know more the Challenger list is the place to go.  We certainly don't

spend any time bashing Kolbs on that list, regardless of their shortcomings.

	I'll leave open a standing offer to take any Kolb list member for a

ride in a Challenger.  We can even shut the engine off and dead-stick it to

a nice, soft landing.

Kolb admirer and list member since '98,

J.D. Stewart

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		   John Hauck wrote:

 > 

 > Guess that is why a Challenger never appealed to  me.  

 And.........if I wanted to know more about Challengers, I 

 think I  would go over to the Challenger List to find out.

 >   

 > 

 Don't go an do something rash !   Besides, the you would just 

 scare yourself learning about Challengers...  Just reading 

 about Challengers makes me want to give up flying take up 

 something safe like motorcycle racing.

 Mike

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 &quot;NO FEAR&quot; -  If you have no fear you did not go as 

 fast as you could have !!!

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