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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Primer war coming right up.  I can't imagine there isn't much in the archives, because there have been so many posts regarding primers in the past.  Now people shy away from primer e-mails like the plague.

In short, there is no agreement as a group as to whether or not to prime, whether or not to alodine, and what primer to use if you are going to prime.



I have used several primers and am happiest with the Akzo Nobel apoxy primer that Spruce sells.  It is tough as nails when it cures.  A lot of people are quite happy with rattle cans of self-etching primer they get at Sherwin Williams or your local Auto Parts store.  Others won't prime because the aluminum has the alclad surface.  It's all up to you.



The Akzo Nobel stuff is probably one of the more complicated to apply, since it requires mixing and a spray gun, whereas the rattle can you just shake and apply.  With primer that you have to mix, you will want to prepare as many parts as you can and then prime them at once, making sure that you mark them well so as not to confuse which part goes where.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Chuck Henry wrote:

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		  I have been working on the tail kit with great excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When I looked through the archives I found little in the way of recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and application, better protection and costs?

 

Thanks,

Chuck Henry

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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

and so the primer war begins!

 Chuck- look through the archives and www.vansairforce.net forums for  everyone's opinion on primers. I can tell you that the easiest for me was the  Sherwin Williams DTM wash primer. It has worked well for me as it does not  require any mixing and it is water soluble so less toxic with soap and  water clean-up.

 There are more durable 2 part primers but I didn't  want that hassle.

 Pascal

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

I'd answer, but Jesse said exactly what I'd say.  No wars from

me on this one.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Primer war coming right up.  I can't imagine there isn't much in the 

 archives, because there have been so many posts regarding primers in the 

 past.  Now people shy away from primer e-mails like the plague.

 

 In short, there is no agreement as a group as to whether or not to 

 prime, whether or not to alodine, and what primer to use if you are 

 going to prime.

 

 I have used several primers and am happiest with the Akzo Nobel apoxy 

 primer that Spruce sells.  It is tough as nails when it cures.  A lot of 

 people are quite happy with rattle cans of self-etching primer they get 

 at Sherwin Williams or your local Auto Parts store.  Others won't prime 

 because the aluminum has the alclad surface.  It's all up to you.

 

 The Akzo Nobel stuff is probably one of the more complicated to apply, 

 since it requires mixing and a spray gun, whereas the rattle can you 

 just shake and apply.  With primer that you have to mix, you will want 

 to prepare as many parts as you can and then prime them at once, making 

 sure that you mark them well so as not to confuse which part goes where.

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694

 

 On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Chuck Henry wrote:

 

> I have been working on the tail kit with great excitement.  I did see 

> the first of the parts get clecoed together which brought about my 

> question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several suggestions 

> for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When I 

> looked through the archives I found little in the way of 

> recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than 

> the others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of 

> preparation and application, better protection and costs?

>  

> Thanks,

> Chuck Henry

> #40806 – Vertical Stabilizer

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gerf(at)gerf.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

And if you don't find any other notes on it - take a look  at Stewart Systems Ecko Etch and Sealer/Primer - water borne, easy  cleanup.  So far I'm very pleased with it.

  

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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:32 AM

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Ugh, didn’t mean to start something  bad.  I did find some information on the vansairforce website which  provided some direction.  Thanks for the  suggestions. 

  

Chuck   

     

 

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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:51  AM

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Subject: Re: Corrosion Treatment  Primer Suggestions

 

   

and so the primer war  begins!

  

Chuck- look through the archives and  www.vansairforce.net forums for  everyone's opinion on primers. I can tell you that the easiest for me was the  Sherwin Williams DTM wash primer. It has worked well for me as it does not  require any mixing and it is water soluble so less toxic with soap and  water clean-up.

  

There are more durable 2 part  primers but I didn't want that hassle.

  

Pascal

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Kearney(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

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poneill(at)irealms.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

As this can be a volatile topic, this is not a suggestion but just a description of what I did.  

   

I used the Akzo 2-part epoxy primer on all interior surfaces (excluding those which would receive the final interior paint).  I didn’t use it because I consider priming a necessity, but because I really like the material.  It is fantastic stuff.  I started to also Alodine parts in the beginning but ended up abandoning that by the end of the Horizontal Stab in favor of just a simple application of Akzo.  

   

Best Regards,  

Patrick #40715 / N690CT  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:08 AM

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 Subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions  

  

   

I have been working on the tail kit with great excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When I looked through the archives I found little in the way of recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and application, better protection and costs?  

   

Thanks,  

Chuck Henry  

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

I'm from the school of "I'll only prime something if I absolutely have to."  So, I'm only priming the steel parts, spot priming scratched Alclad with rattle can Zinc Chromate and plan on a shot of Corrosion X when all is said and done.

That said, I would like to pose a question to those now flying.  Have you found any areas where moisture does accumulate without a quick means of either draining or evaporating?  I remember when I was working on an RV-6 that most everyone drilled a small hole in the lowest spot on the tail to allow for drainage of water that accumulated there.



If there are areas where water collects, I'll want to spot prime them before I really button things up



Jeff Carpenter

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On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Chuck Henry wrote:

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		  I have been working on the tail kit with great excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When I looked through the archives I found little in the way of recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and application, better protection and costs?

 

Thanks,

Chuck Henry

#40806 – Vertical Stabilizer

 



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AV8ORJWC

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Surface and corrosion treatments are separate from primers and sealers.  The wars begin because people are passionate about there choice.  Understanding why some builders would pursue alodine, or anodizing then grasping the difference with wash primers, etching primers, sealers and 2 part epoxy are each important steps in the journey.  Understand why and where some builders apply proseal to fayed joints and trailing edge attachments.  

   

The final topcoat selection should always drive the type of primer (Read Kitplanes – March 2008, Page 45).  Quality preparation is critical to a lasting topcoat bond.  Knowing the thickness of Alclad on the outermost skin and the effort with scotchbrite or sandpaper which removes it can help in choosing products.  Many builders can blast right through the Alclad and down to the base without knowing that thickness.  

   

Choose Wisely.  Knowledge is not a bad thing.  Some paint decisions are made on price or ease of application alone.  

   

John Cox  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:32 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions  

  

   

Ugh, didn’t mean to start something bad.  I did find some information on the vansairforce website which provided some direction.  Thanks for the suggestions.  

   

Chuck    

         

  

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 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:51 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions  

  

     

and so the primer war begins!  

    

Chuck- look through the archives and www.vansairforce.net forums for everyone's opinion on primers. I can tell you that the easiest for me was the Sherwin Williams DTM wash primer. It has worked well for me as it does not require any mixing and it is water soluble so less toxic with soap and water clean-up.  

    

There are more durable 2 part primers but I didn't want that hassle.  

    

Pascal  

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Welcome aboard Chuck.  You probably have no  idea what you just stepped on (re primers that is).  There are as many  different opinions as there are builders.... are you belt, suspender, or belt  and suspender guy?  Low rider perhaps?  Sorry.

  

 Anyway, I used the same stuff that Vans uses on the  QB kit - Sherwin Williams  Wash Primer.  I have no experience to   base that on, just selected one from the many options that should be well  documented in the archives.

  

 One point most agree with; Vans is pretty much  agnostic as far as prime.  No primer is required for the most part from  there point of view.  But where they 'suggest' priming in the plans, it's  probably a good idea to definitely prime those (few) parts.

  

 I look back at 1.5 years and marvel at all the  energy I put into primer research.  I'm pretty confident that any of the  approaches taken is sound.  

  

 Enjoy!

 Bill Watson

 40605

 Durham NC

  

  

  

  

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millstees(at)ameritech.ne
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

I like Akzo Premier from Aircraft Spruce.  It's easy  to mix (1:1) and has proven very durable.

  

  

Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)

RV-10 40486 Slow-build   Eggenfellner E-6TI

Naperville, Illinois

Finishing kit, engine  install

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck  Henry

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:08 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer  Suggestions

 

  

I have been working on the tail kit with great  excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which  brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several  suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When  I looked through the archives I found little in the way of  recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the  others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and  application, better protection and costs? 

  

Thanks, 

Chuck Henry 

#40806 – Vertical  Stabilizer 

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

I'm not seeing any areas of water collecting at all.

But, I have seen others who haven't sealed their rudder

lower fairing fully end up with a rudder fairing full of

water.  So, I drilled a hole there preemptively.

Other than that, dry as a bone for me.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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		   That said, I would like to pose a question to those now flying.  Have 

 you found any areas where moisture does accumulate without a quick means 

 of either draining or evaporating?  I remember when I was working on an 

 RV-6 that most everyone drilled a small hole in the lowest spot on the 

 tail to allow for drainage of water that accumulated there.

 


	


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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

A 1968 Cessna (some like to reference them), which I completed an Annual on had a draining hole that was plugged from organics.  Upon cleaning, the water removed exceeded a gallon and a half.  No it was not an amphibian which by the way usually does get alodining during assembly. Tail draggers (Conventional Geared) know the results of condensation.  A wood propeller left in a vertical rather than horizontal position can get the same response – Condensate flow.  

   

I am from the school that reading the AC43.13 (which is only advisory) can enlighten this subject.  Seeing the insulation that we remove from our airline fleet (each 5500 hours or once a year) then dealing with the corrosion has given me an enhanced opinion on surface preparation and corrosion control.  

   

Once corrosion begins, it is a bear to stop and remediate.  Removing and re-skinning aircraft should be left for WWII warbirds.  For most RV builders, they will never see their choice not to do corrosion control and just build it.  Flying for decades can be done with either course. YMMV.  

   

Do it once… do it Right is my mantra.  I go nuts doing things twice (or more) and enough of you know I am nuts.  

   

John Cox  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter

 Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:39 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions  

  

   

I'm from the school of "I'll only prime something if I absolutely have to."  So, I'm only priming the steel parts, spot priming scratched Alclad with rattle can Zinc Chromate and plan on a shot of Corrosion X when all is said and done.    

   

    

That said, I would like to pose a question to those now flying.  Have you found any areas where moisture does accumulate without a quick means of either draining or evaporating?  I remember when I was working on an RV-6 that most everyone drilled a small hole in the lowest spot on the tail to allow for drainage of water that accumulated there.  

    

   

    

If there are areas where water collects, I'll want to spot prime them before I really button things up  

    

   

    

Jeff Carpenter  

    

40304  

    

N410CF Reserved  

    

Almost through The Dreaded Section 29  

    

Finish Kit on order    

   

    

   

    

       

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I have been working on the tail kit with great excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When I looked through the archives I found little in the way of recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and application, better protection and costs?  

    

   

    

Thanks,  

    

Chuck Henry  

    

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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Yeah, you definitely want a hole in the front bottom of the rudder  

bottom fairing.  There is no way to keep the water out of it.  I also  

have not seen any points of accumulation, although the places that  

could fit the bill for getting moist and not drying are probably not  

places easy to check.  For what it's worth, I don't leave a single  

metal part of this plane unprimed.

I think the plans specifically say to prime inside and outside of all  

control tubes, as well as to prime all places on the wing spar where  

there is removal of the anodized surface, like where they are  

countersunk for the tank attach screw dimples.  I don't remember where  

else, but I agree that everything steel should be either powder  

coated, greased or primed, depending on where it is and what its  

function is.

So far this has been the most friendly primer war I have seen.  I  

think since so many of us have been through it before and know how  

ugly it can get.  Remember when the discussion of Inodyne was going  

on?  Those were the days (the bad old days).

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Cell: 352-427-0285

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On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

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 I'm not seeing any areas of water collecting at all.

 But, I have seen others who haven't sealed their rudder

 lower fairing fully end up with a rudder fairing full of

 water.  So, I drilled a hole there preemptively.

 Other than that, dry as a bone for me.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

> That said, I would like to pose a question to those now flying.   

> Have you found any areas where moisture does accumulate without a  

> quick means of either draining or evaporating?  I remember when I  

> was working on an RV-6 that most everyone drilled a small hole in  

> the lowest spot on the tail to allow for drainage of water that  

> accumulated there.

> Jeff Carpenter

> 40304

> N410CF Reserved

> Almost through The Dreaded Section 29

> Finish Kit on order

rnewman(at)tcwtech.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

If you really enjoy your RV-10 building project and are looking for a way to 

make it last even longer than just a slow build kit, you may want to 

consider the primer system we've used on the 3 Glastars we've build and 

presently are using on our RV-10.    Deft primer 44-G-11 is a two-part water 

reduced epoxy (developed for Boeing)  that also requires acid etching and 

can really make the project take forever! (oh yeah, the mix ratio is a handy 

2 : 1: 4.5.)   On the good side, when it cures it's ridiculously hard and 

resistant to anything we could do to it.    Don't let it get on anything you 

don't want it permanently attached to!    Sarcasim asside,  it appears to be 

a terrific primer.  9 years of annual inspections of our oldest Glastar 

(often kept near the NJ shore) have shown zero corrison.



Bob Newman

40176 super slow build

daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

No primer, except on QB kits (Van's did it) or  on bare steel parts.  I am using ACF-50, Boeshield or  Corrosion-X  leaning towards Boeshield.  Quick, clean, easy and  lite.    Wipe a thin coat on interior skin surfaces or any other  part not to be painted before or after assembly.  Apply liberally after  paint.

  

 http://boeshield.com/index.html

  

 http://www.corrosionx.com/aviation.html

  

 http://www.corrosion-control.com/acf50.html

  

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
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Location: GA

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Dave,

I'm going to do the same thing you are, but I had pretty well settled for ACF-50 and self spraying. Are you only wiping the Boeshield T-9 on areas that are accessible or is there a way to get it in hard to reach areas? Also, I thought Corrosion-X was a service only package - you have to go to one of their sites to get it done; or can you do it yourself?



John



[quote="daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com"]No primer, except on QB kits (Van's did it) or  on bare steel parts.  I am using ACF-50, Boeshield or  Corrosion-X  leaning towards Boeshield.  Quick, clean, easy and  lite.    Wipe a thin coat on interior skin surfaces or any other  part not to be painted before or after assembly.  Apply liberally after  paint.

  

 http://boeshield.com/index.html

  

 http://www.corrosionx.com/aviation.html

  

 http://www.corrosion-control.com/acf50.html

  

 Dave Leikam

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

I purchased a can of Corrosion -x from Aircraft Spruce along with a can of 

ACF-50 and Boeshield to try each one.  I like ACF-50, but Boeshield seems to 

put a thicker coating on a part.  I like the way you can just spray a bit on 

and then wipe it off gently and leave a nice coat.  I have used it on a few 

parts and my bottom wing skins but alot else yet.  For hard to reach areas, 

I would just spray the stuff on.  It should penetrate everywhere.  This is 

the reason to apply it after painting.  I will spray it on all exposed and 

interior surfaces after final painting.  It somewhat dries or becomes like a 

very thin waxy coating.  Supposedly, if you scratch a coated part, the 

products will re-fill in the blemish.  I like the concept better than 

primer.  I may be wrong, but it is the way I am going.  ACF-50 is safe on 

electronics.  At OSH the company had a small circuit with LEDs flashing on 

it powered by a AA battery submerged in a jar of the stuff flashing away.



*(The previous statement is not necessarily the opinion of other builders on 

this list, their sponsors or affiliates and should not be taken as the 

gospel truth.  Any unauthorized use of this opinion is perfectly OK with me. 

Good luck!)



Dave Leikam

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

Chuck, don't listen to a word these poor, misguided  "builders" are saying!  Heck, they are so full of the perverbial "bull"  that it's hard to walk through their hangers without, well, you know, getting a  little stinky.  Let me set you right.  

  

 On the subject of priming, all you have to do is listen to  me and you'll be all set.  First you get yourself one of them big windex  refill bottles, which you can get at any store, as long as it's blue, the  liquid, not the bottle.  Empty half of it, pour in half a bottle of 409 and  mix well.  Add a couple tablespoons of lye.  Best stand back a  little.  Then empty that into a half gallon container.  Add a bottle  of liquid wax, any brand will do.  Top off with some denurtured  alcohol.  Shake.  Then get yourself a nice spray gun and, after  scratching off all the aluminum coating with some hand soap with pumice in it,  spray it on!  Last forever.  Not much weight, either.  Oh, and  don't forget to rinse after using the soap before spraying.   

  

 I'm very satisfied with this approach and can tell you  without hesitation that it works for me.  

  

 John J

   40328

  

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck  Henry

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Subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer  Suggestions

 

  

I have been working on the tail kit with great  excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which  brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder’s manual has several  suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When  I looked through the archives I found little in the way of  recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the  others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and  application, better protection and costs? 

  

Thanks, 

Chuck Henry 

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

OH MY GOSH!  Chuck, you should really see this guy's work.  Let's just say, "I have" and I'll leave it at that.  I've never heard of such a technique before, and, as a Matronics reader since 2003, and an occasional contributor (since I started building) since 2005, I can personally vouch for John and every word he says.  Especially the part about the stinky bull.  What I can't believe is that he spaced on one of the ingredients:  Once you're done with the batch, add 1 part per hundred Gorilla Glue.  This readily dissolves in the mixture as long as it's above 60 F and adds the extra touch of adherence we're all looking for. 

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On Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 1:34 PM, John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com (n212pj(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		          Chuck, don't listen to a word these poor, misguided  "builders" are saying!  Heck, they are so full of the perverbial "bull"  that it's hard to walk through their hangers without, well, you know, getting a  little stinky.  Let me set you right.  

  

 On the subject of priming, all you have to do is listen to  me and you'll be all set.  First you get yourself one of them big windex  refill bottles, which you can get at any store, as long as it's blue, the  liquid, not the bottle.  Empty half of it, pour in half a bottle of 409 and  mix well.  Add a couple tablespoons of lye.  Best stand back a  little.  Then empty that into a half gallon container.  Add a bottle  of liquid wax, any brand will do.  Top off with some denurtured  alcohol.  Shake.  Then get yourself a nice spray gun and, after  scratching off all the aluminum coating with some hand soap with pumice in it,  spray it on!  Last forever.  Not much weight, either.  Oh, and  don't forget to rinse after using the soap before spraying.   

  

 I'm very satisfied with this approach and can tell you  without hesitation that it works for me.  

  

 John J

   40328

  

 do not archive, please  



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Chuck  Henry

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:08 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer  Suggestions

 

  

I have been working on the tail kit with great  excitement.  I did see the first of the parts get clecoed together which  brought about my question.  Section 5A of our builder's manual has several  suggestions for priming the inside parts of the aircraft structures.  When  I looked through the archives I found little in the way of  recommendations.  Is there a primer system that is better suited than the  others that the group has some agreement on based upon ease of preparation and  application, better protection and costs? 

  

Thanks, 

Chuck Henry 

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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Corrosion Treatment Primer Suggestions

If that mixture is a bit thick to spray, just add a quort of acetone and a quart of MEK...then it will be thin and stinky and seep into all the seams for best penetration.

Did someone mix up 4/1/08 with 2/4/08, or just practicing?

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On Feb 4, 2008 3:08 PM, bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com (bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] OH MY GOSH!  Chuck, you should really see this guy's work.  Let's just say, "I have" and I'll leave it at that.  I've never heard of such a technique before, and, as a Matronics reader since 2003, and an occasional contributor (since I started building) since 2005, I can personally vouch for John and every word he says.  Especially the part about the stinky bull.  What I can't believe is that he spaced on one of the ingredients:  Once you're done with the batch, add 1 part per hundred Gorilla Glue.  This readily dissolves in the mixture as long as it's above 60 F and adds the extra touch of adherence we're all looking for.  



Good luck

Bruce Breckenridge

40018 Wings

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