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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Tim,

	You have another option in case you go down. Searchers can just

go online to see your latest web postings of your trip with updated

crash photos and PIREPs on equipment performance for off field landings.

I further expect by the time the rescue team located the site you will

have the whole Swill Family Robinson tree house thing going on with

Andria preparing lunch for the kids while they ride the stationary bike

you built to power the Satellite TV on your converted Chelton MFD. 



Robin

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steveg(at)redmondair.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

I understand, I was sort of confused by the change to the 406 units as well.

I had to do some research to see what the features were in order to answer

customer questions. I really wish that the GPS could be interfaced to all

the units.  It would increase safety and make the search and rescue job a

lot easier.  When you need the unit, it would be best to have as accurate

location as possible.  One nice feature of the new installs is the buzzer

that makes it easier to find an ELT going off in a hanger full of aircraft.



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Tim Olson wrote:

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 That's very cool that they have an In and an Out.  Right now

 I have a GPS signal split that goes to my APRS, also, so in the

 case of the ELT, I'll probably change the APRS so that the ELT

 gets the GPS signal and then outputs it to the APRS.  It should

 be almost nothing to change my wiring to support that plan.

 Thanks for the update David.



 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying 

Tim, I'd just hook all the items needing GPS input directly to the GPS.  
	


Going through the ELT may (or may not depending on just how it's wired) 

cause a problem if the ELT fails, and you'd never know it.

Linn

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Now THAT's the biggest laugh I've had for a while!!

Good one Robin!



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Robin Marks wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Tim,

 	You have another option in case you go down. Searchers can just

 go online to see your latest web postings of your trip with updated

 crash photos and PIREPs on equipment performance for off field landings.

 I further expect by the time the rescue team located the site you will

 have the whole Swill Family Robinson tree house thing going on with

 Andria preparing lunch for the kids while they ride the stationary bike

 you built to power the Satellite TV on your converted Chelton MFD. 

 

 Robin

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effectus(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

John,



Canada will cease monitoring satellite monitoring of 121.5 mhz as of 

Feb. 1, 2009 and the Canadian fleet along with any international 

visitors will have to convert their aircraft over to 406 mhz ELTs over a 

2 year transition period.



Our Canadian Owners and Pilots Association (COPA) fought to enlighten 

Transport Canada on the problems with the current ELTs. They compiled 

data from the last 2 years showing that approx. 70 percent of accidents 

had the ELT malfunction.



This fell on deaf ears and unlike you guys down south we do not have an 

option to stay with the old system and take our chances with SPOT or PLB 

augmentation. We (and all those 60,000 visitors) will have to have an 

expensive GPS attached 406 installed or else.



 From what I have gathered from the COPA publications it is the Canadian 

Department of Defense that is pushing this as they are in charge of 

CANSARSAT and the rescue efforts. They some how have it in their heads 

that with the installation of new equipment the failure rate will go 

down from 70% to something around 25%. there is a goal to be striving for!!!



Any how, there is the skinny on what is happening to us Canucks and how 

it is going to spill over the border to touch a bunch of our American 

friends who like to come up to visit.



Dave Hertner



John Jessen wrote:

[quote] 

 

 When is the 406 required in Canada?  I thought it might already be, and I

 thought that a PLB was not enough for them.  

 

 John Jessen

 

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Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Assuming before going down you will shut down your electrical system, how is your GPS going to keep supplying data to the ELT?



Lenny



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Just means that you can't kill the master switch until just  before

touchdown. Wherever you shut off electrical is where SAR starts. 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Actually, if you kept your head, it might be worth activating the

ELT using the panel mount switch if you knew it was going to end

up bad.  Like, if I were going down over the ocean, I'd hope to

hit the button while still flying my way to the water.



I don't know the technical details, but they must have some way

of capturing the GPS signal as long as it's coming in, even with

the ELT not active.  I'm not sure if the ELT then reports

"last known position", or what...but it would seem that the

companies that built the things must have taken into account

that when you crash, the wiring to the unit might get trashed.

At least I'd hope so.



I may just have to call and ask about that one.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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David McNeill wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Just means that you can't kill the master switch until just  before

 touchdown. Wherever you shut off electrical is where SAR starts. 

 

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

AWESOME Imagination!!! Where does he find the time?



[quote] Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

 Date: Tue C 27 Jan 2009 18:05:28 -0500

 From: robin1(at)mrmoisture.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Based on the way its wired the 406 E04 continuously gets updates and stores

the latest GPS data. That's the reason for the power to the ELT from ship's

power. Once the crash occurs, activation by G switch or activation from

panel switch, the batteries of the ELT begin transmitting GPS id and

location. Sometimes it is on multiple frequencies. 



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

I did just get off the phone with ACK to get the answer to the

question. Yes, the E-04 is continually getting updates and

stores the data as David says, so if you did shut off the

electrical pre-crash (probably something you do very close

to impact), then THAT position would be the one transmitted.

It just stores the position as fast as the GPS sends it and

sends whatever was there last when it is activated.

And, as we saw from their website, the delivery won't be for

a couple months.



For previous Ameri-King installs, you can either cut the

old cable to the panel switch, or if you have the RJ tool

like I do, you can put a new end flipped on it, and plug it

into the ACK.  So you shouldn't have to re-run wires to make

it all work.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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David McNeill wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Based on the way its wired the 406 E04 continuously gets updates and stores

 the latest GPS data. That's the reason for the power to the ELT from ship's

 power. Once the crash occurs, activation by G switch or activation from

 panel switch, the batteries of the ELT begin transmitting GPS id and

 location. Sometimes it is on multiple frequencies. 

 

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lbgjb10

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 67

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

does anyone now whether the 'footprint' on the small unit in the panel would be changed for the new gps-elt.  i assume you would have to run a wire to the new elt from your gps.  (long way to the tail!!)  larry

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Larry and Gayle N104LG

dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

I got off the phone with EDMO where I have an account. The 451-5 -6, -7 have

GPS capability but their cost is $1800+. Edmo sent me a flyer regarding the

Artex ME406 but it has no provision for GPS input and my cost would be $829.

Accuracy without GPS is about 3 km. All of this is a non starter. I will

wait for the ACK E-04 with GPS interface and a list of $600 (with discounts

available). I have a Mcmurdo PLB with built in GPS available for about $600.

I brief my passengers concerning location and activation of the PLB 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

The panel switch is compatible so you don't even change that.

Also, I have a GPS signal to my APRS right next to the battery so in  

my case it's one short wire run and I'm done.  Should maybe be a 1-2  

hr project.

Tim



On Jan 28, 2009, at 5:16 PM, "lbgjb10" <lbgjb(at)gnt.net> wrote:



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 does anyone now whether the 'footprint' on the small unit in the  

 panel would be changed for the new gps-elt.  i assume you would have  

 to run a wire to the new elt from your gps.  (long way to the  

 tail!!)  larry



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 Larry and Gayle N104LG





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hsdexo

Joined: 28 Jan 2009
Posts: 10

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Ameri-King AK-451 ELT

Best thing to do is stay away from the 451. I sent a new 450 back to them that would not work. It was 3 months old and I sent the BOS with it. 

They have failed to respond and still have my unit 1 year now.

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