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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: kolb gps



Robert or anyone else'

I know you can get GPS software that allows you to use a palm pilot or

even better a laptop for a moving map. Is there also any way to interface

engine sending units?

I'm not really sure. Does an EIS monitoring system change analog at the

sender or at the panel?

Vic do not archive

Vic Peters

-----------

DeLORME makes a gps that plugs into a serial port on a lap top or

palm...the one I have has the name Earthmate Hyperformance gps receiver..

and will work on DeLORME mapping software... there are probably others.

It seems that some of the newer palms have a gps built in.

I have used the garmin pilot lll and it worked very well.. But I have

been spoiled with the larger screen on the 196, it works wonders in the

air,,, and with the street mapping software it works wonders in the car..

Coming through the spaghetti bowl in Portland my wife turned to me and said

that the thing just paid for itself. I have not yet bought the

navitagable waters maps.. however color on the 296 may be nice...

Boyd

Do not archive

Ps I think the A to D converter is in the panel box.

ulflyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: kolb gps

EIS uses raw analog signals right from the sender - the EIS does the conversion. I sit here wondering why you would want to go through all the trouble trying to interface a PC into your panel. Blue screens are not good and Winders is still not rock solid. There are other instruments that would be better - see Grand Rapids Technologies other products. There is also another company producing a glass cockpit at moderate cost. For GPS function why not buy a good GPS that can be used for roads and aviation use. Just my thoughts. jerb At 10:49 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: Robert or anyone else' I know you can get GPS software that allows you to use a palm pilot or even better a laptop for a moving map. Is there also any way to interface engine sending units? I'm not really sure. Does an EIS monitoring system change analog at the sender or at the panel? Vic do not archive Vic Peters ----------- DeLORME makes a gps that plugs into a serial port on a lap top or palm...the one I have has the name Earthmate Hyperformance gps receiver.. and will work on DeLORME mapping software... there are probably others. It seems that some of the newer palms have a gps built in. I have used the garmin pilot lll and it worked very well.. But I have been spoiled with the larger screen on the 196, it works wonders in the air,,, and with the street mapping software it works wonders in the car.. Coming through the spaghetti bowl in Portland my wife turned to me and said that the thing just paid for itself. I have not yet bought the navitagable waters maps.. however color on the 296 may be nice... Boyd Do not archive Ps I think the A to D converter is in the panel box.

lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: kolb gps

EIS uses raw analog signals right from the sender - the EIS does the conversion. I sit here wondering why you would want to go through all the trouble trying to interface a PC into your panel. Blue screens are not good and Winders is still not rock solid. There are other instruments that would be better - see Grand Rapids Technologies other products. There is also another company producing a glass cockpit at moderate cost. For GPS function why not buy a good GPS that can be used for roads and aviation use. Just my thoughts. jerb

I tend to agree.... GPS's are bad enough in terms of reliability, so not
sure what would be gained by increasing the chances of failure, oh, 10
orders of magnitude by using a palm pilot or worse a Windwoes laptop in the
airplane....
sorry, couldn't resist Wink

.
And I shouldn't whine about GPS's, the current crop of them are actually
really good reliable devices. I have had a couple of older ones and they've
always quit or gave me some kind of problem at very inconvenient times.s....
The garmins are really good, I think, especially the newer ones.
But no way no how would I use anything running Windwoes or PalmOS or
anything like that as even a supplemental form of navigation Wink

... JMO....
LS
N646F

Quote:

At 10:49 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>Robert or anyone else'
> I know you can get GPS software that allows you to use a palm pilot
or
>even better a laptop for a moving map. Is there also any way to interface
>engine sending units?
>
>I'm not really sure. Does an EIS monitoring system change analog at the
>sender or at the panel?
>Vic do not archive
>
>
>Vic Peters
>-----------
>DeLORME makes a gps that plugs into a serial port on a lap top or
>palm...the one I have has the name Earthmate Hyperformance gps
receiver..
>and will work on DeLORME mapping software... there are probably others.
>
>It seems that some of the newer palms have a gps built in.
>
>I have used the garmin pilot lll and it worked very well.. But I have
>been spoiled with the larger screen on the 196, it works wonders in the
>air,,, and with the street mapping software it works wonders in the car..
>Coming through the spaghetti bowl in Portland my wife turned to me and
said
>that the thing just paid for itself. I have not yet bought the
>navitagable waters maps.. however color on the 296 may be nice...
>
>Boyd
>
>Do not archive
>Ps I think the A to D converter is in the panel box.
>

vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: kolb gps



Thanks for all that replied,

Just thought a laptop would be a good backup and easy for an old fart to

see.

I was going to ask what the heck is a winder is. Winders Home ain't bad, no

more blue screen for me. I'm less rock solid myself!

Vic Peters

MK3X

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WillUribe(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: kolb gps



Vic,

I have a Navman GPS for my laptop. The majority of the time it lags behind

where I'm actually driving and sometimes it freezes up the laptop to the

point I have to re-boot. This is very distracting when I'm driving so I no

longer use it.

jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: kolb gps



| I tend to agree.... GPS's are bad enough in terms of reliability,

|I have had a couple of older ones and they've

| always quit or gave me some kind of problem at very inconvenient

times.s....

|

| The garmins are really good, I think, especially the newer ones.

|

| LS

LS/All:

What seems to be wrong with the reliability of GPS?

What GPS units have you used and what year were they manufactured?

What did you find wrong with the older Garmin units?

john h

MKIII

jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: kolb gps



| Just thought a laptop would be a good backup and easy for an old

fart to

| see.

|

|

| Vic Peters

Vic/Gang:

What are you going to do with a lap top in a Kolb?

john h

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vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: kolb gps



Hey John,

Use it as the GPS display. You can buy a non display Gps unit for about 100

bucks

Vic

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lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.c
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: kolb gps



 	  Quote: 	
		  LS/All:

What seems to be wrong with the reliability of GPS?

What GPS units have you used and what year were they manufactured?

What did you find wrong with the older Garmin units?

	


They're fairly reliable, just not as reliable as a chart and the ground

....

But seriously, I've been through 2, but they were older low-end Garmin

models. The first one was one of the first to get the 12 channel Rockwell

recievers in it, and the second was an etrex.

The first one would just shut off randomly, but would always come back on by

pressing the power button. My eTrex quit working completely and has never

come back on...

I don't remember when the first one was made, but the eTrex is about 3 years

old I think...

LS

N646F

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		  john h

MKIII

jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: kolb gps



| Hey John,

| Use it as the GPS display. You can buy a non display Gps unit for

about 100

| bucks

|

| Vic

Hi Vic/Gang:

Yep.. Kinda figured that. What I was thinking about was the amount

of room required for a lap top in a Kolb aircraft. I find smaller is

usually better.

john h

MKIII

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jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: kolb gps



| They're fairly reliable, just not as reliable as a chart and the

ground

| ....

|

| LS

LS/All:

Sounds like an operator problem to me.

Amazing! You are the only aviator I have heard make a statement that

GPS is unreliable.

Been flying with GPS since 1993. Have had excellent results. Would

not leave home without it.

I also understand the importance of not relying on a GPS 100%, and I

can still fly with a sectional and mag compass. Would you believe

that is how I found my way around Vietnam, in an AH-1G, with map and

compass. Wish we had had GPS back then. Could have saved a lot more

lives.

I have gone through the Garmin 55AVD, 95XL, and am now flying with the

196, a wonderful instrument. Provides a lot of help when an aviator

needs it. Would still be flying with the 55AVD, but Garmin stops

supporting updates for the older instruments. The 196 is a real

sweetheart though. Got a lot more info and capability than my older

models.

GPS is particularly important in Alaska, where magnetic deviation is

as much as 32 degrees, maybe 34 degrees. I'm guessing because I do

not have a Barrow Sectional handy.

Sorry you had such poor results with your GPS.

john h

MKIII

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: kolb gps

`At 10:36 PM 1/9/06 +0000, you wrote: They're fairly reliable, just not as reliable as a chart and the ground ....`

Lucien,
It is difficult to use a sectional chart and a calculator in a FireFly. I
used a gps to ferry the FireFly from Missouri to Indiana. Due to an adverse
wind, I could not make 60 mile hops and I had to divert two times to
alternate airports. Just by pushing one button, I had several choices or
alternate airports. Then by pressing another button, I could select the
desired airport and the GPS told me how long it would take to get there plus
much more info than a chart and calculator would have.
I have used a Garmin 90 for about ten years. I dropped it on the concrete
several years ago and popped the lcd display off. I carefully picked it up
and pressed it back in place. It worked well up to about two months ago. I
started loosing lines in the display. Purchased another Garmin.
I would not fly a cross country without a gps. You never know when you are
going to get disoriented. After flying from Perryville Municipal to my EAA
Chapter meetings for several years, I had it happen to me. I was flying
south and got busy in the cockpit. When I returned to looking out over the
nose of the FireFly, I did not recognize anything. I thought I was flying
south, but when I checked the compass, I found I was flying east. Turned 90
degrees and I recognized very thing again.
Since I have moved to Indiana, it happened again. I am not used to flying
over snow covered terrain. The last flight of 2005, I put on my LLBean cold
weather gear and went for a spin late in the afternoon. I flew from
Winchester to Union City and everything looked quit normal. Then I wandered
around a little looking at the edges of Union City. Next I turned back
toward the west. The sun was low in the west and the glare off the snow was
unbelievable. Normally, I could see the airport from where I was, but I
could not pick it out. So I followed the railroad tracks and 32 back toward
Winchester and located the airport.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN

orcabonita(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: kolb gps



In a modern airliner, GPS is the primary cross country navigation. In the

airplane I fly it is backed up by VOR, and Inertial navigation, but the GPS

is primary. When the aircraft senses an error between the systems, it tells

us, and in thousands of hours over almost 10 years, there have been only a

couple times that the GPS would not work. It is one of the most reliable

systems on the plane.

When someone posts that using GPS has been unrealiable, that tells me that

it is either operator error, or a very bad installation... Either of which

can be fixed 

Michael A. Bigelow

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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear, you did not go as fast as you could have...

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: kolb gps



I hope you dont crash when your laptop does just a work of thought about how

unreliabale computers really are

Ellery

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lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: kolb gps



 	  Quote: 	
		  LS/All:

Sounds like an operator problem to me.

	


Ah flattery will get you nowhere......

 	  Quote: 	
		  Sorry you had such poor results with your GPS.

	


It's bizarre in my case, since I know garmin is one of the best products

around, and none of the locals I know of ever had a failure rate like

mine... and of course I used various IFR gps's in a couple of different

planes when I was taking my instrument training and they always worked

fine....

Must be personal radiation or something like that.....

I have lusted after a 195 for years now, although once I saw a friend of

mine's 295 I wanted one of those...

I really would like a 196, though....

LS

N646F

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		  john h

MKIII

lcottrel(at)kfalls.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: kolb gps



 	  Quote: 	
		   I have lusted after a 195 for years now, although once I saw a friend of

mine's 295 I wanted one of those...

I really would like a 196, though....

LS

N646F

	


I just bought a 196 on ebay and paid 660.00 for a used 196. ( bought in June

05) There seemed to be a couple of people that decided that they had to have

one, apparently I got in the middle of that. Under the right circumstances

you can pick one up for somewhere around 550.00. There are a lot of guys

updating to the 296 and 396 so the 196's are becoming a glut on the market.

That makes three GPS's that I have owned and have a lot of miles both in the

air and on the ground. Never had a problem that wasn't caused by stupidity.

do not archive

Larry,Oregon

John Jung

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 108
Location: Surprise, AZ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: kolb gps



John H and Group,

 	  Quote: 	
		  Could you provide dealers that handle the Digital Raster Charts,

please.

john h

	


Here is one:

http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/2214?qryrmv=1&ctn=afd1

They also reference sources of software to use the charts.

To find this, I used the same search that I used to find the FAA sectionals; I Googled "digital sectionals".

Anyone not familiar with Google should think of it as an archive search for the rest of the world.

--------

John Jung

Firestar II N6163J

Surprise, AZ

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