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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Elevator level

Anyone have a good reference point to zero the level to measure elevator 

travel?  I can only think of trying to use a ruler across the middle of the 

airfoil across the chord line.

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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: Re: Elevator level

Sorry about the stupid question. Hugo enlightened me. It was a long day.

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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

coop85(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: Elevator level

I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate the

device.  Easy way to measure moving parts.  Here's a link to the one I have

at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:



http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

Well worth the $9



Marcus

40286

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Elevator level

I purchased an electronic level from the aviation department of home depot.

Cost a little under $40 before tax.  I though it was well worth it.  Used on

tail...flaps....magnetometer placement... made it all a lot easier.  



Rene' Felker

RV-10 N423CF Flying

801-721-6080



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Elevator level

It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top

of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent

place I could.  Then that was zero.  From there, at the time, I used

this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214



Surprisingly it worked pretty good.



But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is

just my style.

http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html



A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch.  This thing is super accurate,

and dirt cheap if you own the device.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Marcus Cooper wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate the

 device.  Easy way to measure moving parts.  Here's a link to the one I have

 at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:

 

 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

 

 

 Well worth the $9

 

 Marcus

 40286

 --

Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: Elevator level

Ditto...  Craftsman Digital Level for me.



Placed it on the elevator and pressed the "0" button.  That was now the

starting point.  Then I could rotate the elevator to confirm the travel.



Once I finished, I was curious as to why this was such a big deal.  I

think it's nearly impossible to mess up the elevator travel.  I suppose

it's a good thing to check, but mine were spot-on by .1 of a degree.  

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planesmith(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: Elevator level

This is also what I used. Works great for leveling the plane when working on wheel pants and weight and balance.

 Here is a link to the tool: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100653598

 

 Vern Smith (#324 finishing)

  

[quote] From: rene(at)felker.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Elevator level

 Date: Thu C 26 Mar 2009 09:11:17 -0600

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>

 

 I purchased an electronic level from the aviation department of home depot.

 Cost a little under $40 before tax. I though it was well worth it. Used on

 tail...flaps....magnetometer placement... made it all a lot easier. 

 

 Rene' Felker

 RV-10 N423CF Fly================

 

 

 

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Elevator level

Thanks everyone,



I bought the 40$ Ridgid digital level from Home Depot and it worked great.

I installed the elevators and they came out really close.

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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: Elevator level

Also, you might check with your local EAA Chapter for some of those resources.  Vern’s chapter (EAA292) has a top of the line Stabila electronic level and protractor that we loan out to our members for free.  In these times, free resources like these add up…  

   

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith

 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:10 AM

 To: RV 10 list

 Subject: RE: Elevator level  

  

  

   

This is also what I used. Works great for leveling the plane when working on wheel pants and weight and balance.

 Here is a link to the tool: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100653598

  

 Vern Smith (#324 finishing)

  

 > From: rene(at)felker.com

 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: RE: Elevator level

 > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:11:17 -0600

 > 

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>

 > 

 > I purchased an electronic level from the aviation department of home depot.

 > Cost a little under $40 before tax. I though it was well worth it. Used on

 > tail...flaps....magnetometer placement... made it all a lot easier. 

 > 

 > Rene' Felker

 > RV-10 N423CF Fly================

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jim(at)CombsFive.Com
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: Elevator level

I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle finder.  I may be wrong about this.Jim CN312F - Flying--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the topof the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistentplace I could.  Then that was zero. From there, at the time, I usedthis $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214Surprisingly it worked pretty good.But these days, I found something way cooler....something that isjust my style.http://www.teego.com/multilevel.htmlA level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch.  This thing is super accurate,and dirt cheap if you own the device.Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - FlyingMarcus Cooper wrote:> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)verizon.net>>> I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate> the> device.  Easy way to measure moving parts.  Here's a link to the one I> have> at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:>> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10> 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800>>> Well worth the $9>> Marcus> 40286> --

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: Elevator level

Maybe it’s been too long Jim!  Before my first flight I created the following list of alignments and rechecked all.  Elevator alignment is on page 11-6.  

   

Bob   

N442PM (flying)  

           

Elevator alignments         

              

          

11-2         

Up/Down Travel             

          

11-6         

limit stops             

          

11-7         

aft tube rod end bearing adjustment             

          

39-10         

control stick elevator neutral adjustment             

          

          

              

Aileron Alignment         

              

          

23-7         

neutral position             

          

23-8         

bellcrank neutral position             

          

23-9         

aileron to flap alignment             

          

44-4         

control stick aileron neutral adjustment             

          

          

              

Elevator trim alignment             

          

11-10         

deflection spec & adjustment             

          

          

              

Rudder alignment         

              

          

11-7         

limit stops             

          

          

              

Control Sticks         

              

          

39-9         

Control stick parallel alignment             

          

          

              

Flap Alignment         

              

          

44-5         

Flap full up position alignment        

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim(at)CombsFive.Com

 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:46 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Elevator level  

  

   

I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle finder.  

 

 I may be wrong about this.

 

 Jim C

 N312F - Flying

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 

 It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top

 of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent

 place I could. Then that was zero. 

 >From there, at the time, I used

 this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.

 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214

 

 Surprisingly it worked pretty good.

 

 But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is

 just my style.

 http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html

 

 A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch. This thing is super accurate,

 and dirt cheap if you own the device.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Marcus Cooper wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)verizon.net>

 >

 > I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate

 > the

 > device. Easy way to measure moving parts. Here's a link to the one I

 > have

 > at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:

 >

 > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

 > 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

 >

 >

 > Well worth the $9

 >

 > Marcus

 > 40286

 > --

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Elevator level

Aw shoot....I was talking trim deflection.

You're right.  For elevators I just lined up the horns with the HS.

Tim



On Mar 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, jim(at)CombsFive.Com (jim(at)CombsFive.Com) wrote:



[quote]I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle finder.  



I may be wrong about this.



Jim C

N312F - Flying

 Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>



It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top

of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent

place I could.  Then that was zero. 

From there, at the time, I used

this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214



Surprisingly it worked pretty good.



But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is

just my style.

http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html



A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch.  This thing is super accurate,

and dirt cheap if you own the device.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Marcus Cooper wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)verizon.net>



 I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate

 the

 device.  Easy way to measure moving parts.  Here's a link to the one I

 have

 at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:



 http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

 Well worth the $9



 Marcus

 40286

 --

rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Elevator level

If I remember correctly.  You need to check and adjust elevator travel once the linkage all the way to the stick is established.  I was having my stick, with infinity grip, hit the panel and thus tried to solve that problem by adjusting the linkage……so It may have been different to me.   

Rene' Felker  

RV-10 N423CF Flying  

801-721-6080    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim(at)CombsFive.Com

 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:46 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Elevator level  

I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle finder.  

 I may be wrong about this.

 Jim C

 N312F - Flying

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>

 It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top

 of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent

 place I could. Then that was zero. 

 >From there, at the time, I used

 this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.

 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214

 Surprisingly it worked pretty good.

 But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is

 just my style.

 http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html

 A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch. This thing is super accurate,

 and dirt cheap if you own the device.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 Marcus Cooper wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)verizon.net>

 >

 > I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate

 > the

 > device. Easy way to measure moving parts. Here's a link to the one I

 > have

 > at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:

 >

 > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

 > 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

 >

 >

 > Well worth the $9

 >

 > Marcus

 > 40286

 > --

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: Elevator level

That is awesome for you to write this up Bob...I can't remember back that far well anymore but I just followed the plans...

Your write up is a great quick reference!

Tim



On Mar 26, 2009, at 1:57 PM, "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)> wrote:



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Maybe itâ€™s been too long Jim!  Before my first flight I created the following list of alignments and rechecked all.  Elevator alignment is on page 11-6.  

   

Bob   

N442PM (flying)  

           

Elevator alignments         

              

          

11-2         

Up/Down Travel             

          

11-6         

limit stops             

          

11-7         

aft tube rod end bearing adjustment             

          

39-10         

control stick elevator neutral adjustment             

          

          

              

Aileron Alignment         

              

          

23-7         

neutral position             

          

23-8         

bellcrank neutral position             

          

23-9         

aileron to flap alignment             

          

44-4         

control stick aileron neutral adjustment             

          

          

              

Elevator trim alignment             

          

11-10         

deflection spec & adjustment             

          

          

              

Rudder alignment         

              

          

11-7         

limit stops             

          

          

              

Control Sticks         

              

          

39-9         

Control stick parallel alignment             

          

          

              

Flap Alignment         

              

          

44-5         

Flap full up position alignment        

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of jim(at)CombsFive.Com (jim(at)CombsFive.Com)

 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:46 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Elevator level  

  

   

I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle finder.  

 

 I may be wrong about this.

 

 Jim C

 N312F - Flying

 

 

  <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top

 of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent

 place I could. Then that was zero. 

 >From there, at the time, I used

 this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.

 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214

 

 Surprisingly it worked pretty good.

 

 But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is

 just my style.

 http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html

 

 A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch. This thing is super accurate,

 and dirt cheap if you own the device.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 

 

 

 Marcus Cooper wrote:

 >  <coop85(at)verizon.net (coop85(at)verizon.net)>

 >

 > I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you rotate

 > the

 > device. Easy way to measure moving parts. Here's a link to the one I

 > have

 > at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:

 >

 > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10

 > 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800

 >

 >

 > Well worth the $9

 >

 > Marcus

 > 40286

 > --

jim(at)CombsFive.Com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: Elevator level

Whew!  - You guys had me worried there!  I just followed the directions posted on Tim's web site to set up the elevator trim travel.  They worked perfectly!Jim CombsN312F - Flying Do Not Archive-------------------------------------------------------Aw shoot....I was talking trim deflection.You're right.  For elevators I just lined up the horns with the HS.TimOn Mar 26, 2009, at 1:45 PM, jim(at)CombsFive.Com wrote:> I thought the elevator travel was limited by the stops in the tail> of the fuselage?  The elevator horns contacted the stops.  I don't> recall having to measure the elevator travel at all with a angle> finder.>> I may be wrong about this.>> Jim C> N312F - Flying>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>>> It's been a while but I think I layed a straight edge across the top> of the elevator and the horizontal stab, in the most consistent> place I could. Then that was zero.>From there, at the time, I used> this $4 Dial-gauge angle finder from Harbor Freight.> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34214>> Surprisingly it worked pretty good.>> But these days, I found something way cooler....something that is> just my style.> http://www.teego.com/multilevel.html>> A level app for the iPhone/iPod Touch. This thing is super accurate,> and dirt cheap if you own the device.>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying>>>> Marcus Cooper wrote:> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"> <coop85(at)verizon.net>> >> > I used a protractor with a weighted indicator that moves as you> rotate> > the> > device. Easy way to measure moving parts. Here's a link to the one I> > have> > at Home Depot Aircraft Supply:> >> > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10> > 051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100165800> >> >> > Well worth the $9> >> > Marcus> > 40286> > -----Original Message-----> >>From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:21 PM> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com> > Subject: Elevator level> >> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>> >> > Anyone have a good reference point to zero the level to measure> elevator> > travel? I can only think of trying to use a ruler across the> middle of> > the> > airfoil across the chord line.> >> > --------> > Cust. #40936> > A&amp;P, ATP> > typed CE-525(s), CE-500> > RV-10 tailcone finished> > N801VR reserved> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 36055#236055> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>   [quote][b]

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: Elevator level

Bob is right C the "Tool Crib" as it is called is a great resource. If your chapter doesn't have one it's worth asking about starting one. He got ours started and it has been a real asset to the members.



Vern Smith (#324 finishing & airbox fun)



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Also C you might check with your local EAA Chapter for some of those resources.  Vern’s chapter (EAA292) has a top of the line Stabila electronic level and protractor that we loan out to our members for free.  In these times C free resources like these add up…  

   

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