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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

I saw a post at one time where one of you made an  access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that  did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second  conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for  that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc.  I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took  the idea from Randy's web site.

  

 So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea  so I can copy you.

  

 Wayne Edgerton N602WT

  

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I 

copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image 

there should be about 20 pics that show the process.



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html



Deems Davis N519PJ

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Wayne Edgerton wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the 

 back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and 

 see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional 

 and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for 

 that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat 

 belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage 

 wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site.

  

 So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

  

 Wayne Edgerton N602WT

  

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Ck Robin Marks site.  I copied his

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effectus(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Wayne,I did that mod to the rear baggage wall. I'll get a couple of photos tomorrow and e-mail them to you. I am not sure how to post photos. - will also put a write-up about it on my blog. Here is the link wwwmkitaircraftmods.comDaveFitting the door hardware.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:22:09 -0500

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RV10-List: Rear baggage wall access panel

I saw a post at one time where one of = you made an=20 access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person = that=20 did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second=20 conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it = easier for=20 that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat = belts etc.=20 I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which = I took=20 the idea from Randy's web site.

So whoever that was I hope you can post = your idea=20 so I can copy you.

Wayne Edgerton N602WT

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gengrumpy(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect  

strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.



Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.



grumpy

N184JM



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On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:



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 Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I  

 copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next  

 image there should be about 20 pics that show the process.



 http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html



 Deems Davis N519PJ

 http://deemsrv10.com/

 Wayne Edgerton wrote:

> I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in  

> the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did  

> that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second  

> conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make  

> it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and  

> undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to  

> the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web  

> site.

> So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

> Wayne Edgerton N602WT

> do not archive

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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Wayne, I think that is my build. My only regret is that’s it’s not even larger or add a second one. Tremendous for Battery access etc.. My O2 filler connect is also located there.  

On important component. Use a split hinge pin to allow for easy removal.   

A slightly different design is to have the door hinge at the top and hold it up by a simple Velcro strap or the like.  

Robin  

   

       

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So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.  

    

   

    

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

give it back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it

just as strong again.  Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad idea.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



Miller John wrote:

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 I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect 

 strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.

 

 Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.

 

 grumpy

 N184JM

 

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 On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:

 

> 

>

> Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I 

> copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image 

> there should be about 20 pics that show the process.

>

> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html 

> Deems Davis N519PJ

> http://deemsrv10.com/

> Wayne Edgerton wrote:

>> I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the 

>> back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that 

>> and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second 

>> conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it 

>> easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and 

>> undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to 

>> the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site.

>> So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

>> Wayne Edgerton N602WT

>> do not archive

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

There is a reason for all those corregations



[quote] Date: Wed C 17 Jun 2009 21:24:03 -0500

 From: Tim(at)MyRV10.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall access panel

 

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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!  Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking.

 

Dave



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

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 Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,

 and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back

 wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

 give it back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

 just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it

 just as strong again.  Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

 be a bad idea.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 

 

 

 Miller John wrote:

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		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>

 

 I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.

 

 Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.

 

 grumpy

 N184JM

 

 do not archive

 

 On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:

 

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		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>

 

 Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process.

 

 http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html 

 

 Deems Davis N519PJ

 http://deemsrv10.com/

 

 

 Wayne Edgerton wrote:

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		   I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site.

   So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

 Wayne Edgerton N602WT

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the  baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head.  meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill  and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the  Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two  screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the  corrugations in the panel.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall  access panel

In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6"  plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a  structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a  lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign  that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!  Not that it can't be  doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking.

Dave

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

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Actually, I've heard many times    that it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you    alter the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up    to

give it back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into    it,

just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it

just as    strong again.  Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad    idea.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

Miller John wrote:

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I'd be a little cautious      about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as      designed by Van's.

Might check with them before shortcutting      potential strength design.

grumpy

N184JM

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On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:

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Wayne, here's a link to a        photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin        Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics        that show the process.

http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html        

Deems Davis N519PJ

http://deemsrv10.com/

Wayne Edgerton        wrote:

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		  I          saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back          baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see          his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and          made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that          back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts          etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area,          which I took the idea from Randy's web site.

So whoever that was I          hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

Wayne Edgerton          N602WT

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

David…….can you give us the part number on those screws?  Sound like a great upgrade for my next annual…condition inspection.  Those Phillips head screws behind the reels are a real pain in the butt.  

   

FYI…the seat belts are working out great….  J  

     

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RV-10 N423CF Flying  

  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill

 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

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One other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet. Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the panel.  

       

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor

 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall access panel  

In a past life, I used to have to pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around the perimeter--it was a structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws" should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!  Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth checking.

 

 Dave    

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,

 and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back

 wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

 give it back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

 just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it

 just as strong again.  Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

 be a bad idea.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 

 

 

 Miller John wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>

 

 I'd be a little cautious about cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by Van's.

 

 Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength design.

 

 grumpy

 N184JM

 

 do not archive

 

 On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>

 

 Wayne, here's a link to a photo album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the process.

 

 http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html 

 

 Deems Davis N519PJ

 http://deemsrv10.com/

 

 

 Wayne Edgerton wrote:  

I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from Randy's web site.

 So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can copy you.

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Rear baggage wall access panel

Listen carefully to what Tim and Grumpy are saying.  I'll be more blunt.  The baggage bulkhead IS a structural component and is necessary for asymmetrical HS loading/twisting moments. (Sound familiar? Check the tail SB).  That is the reason for the corrugations and all of the screws.  It must not be compromised for ease of access.  I do not like what I see in the photos.

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

check http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/nas1096.php

  

 Also I used CS with an internal hex head for the last two  screws on the forward tunnel edge. Wrong CS angle but certainly easier to use,  an allen wrench removes rather tha pressure on a Phillps  head.



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene  Felker

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

 

  

David…….can  you give us the part number on those screws?  Sound like a great upgrade  for my next annual…condition inspection.  Those Phillips head screws behind  the reels are a real pain in the butt. 

  

FYI…the  seat belts are working out great….  J 

   

Rene'  Felker 

RV-10  N423CF Flying

 

801-721-6080   

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David  McNeill

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel



 

  

One  other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the  NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener  standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet.  Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the  overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I  think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the  panel. 

    

 

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall  access panel 

In a past life, I used to have to  pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around  the perimeter--it was a structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually  true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws"  should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!   Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth  checking.



Dave  

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>  wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>



Actually, I've heard many times that  it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter  the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

give it  back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

just plan ahead to  make sure you do all you need to make it

just as strong again.   Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad idea.

Tim Olson -  RV-10 N104CD



Miller John wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted  by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>



I'd be a little cautious about  cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by  Van's.



Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength  design.



grumpy

N184JM



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On Jun 17, 2009, at  6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>



Wayne, here's a link to a photo  album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just  follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the  process.



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html  



Deems Davis N519PJ

http://deemsrv10.com/

Wayne Edgerton  wrote: 

I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access  panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that  and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and  made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area  access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my  oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from  Randy's web site.

So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can  copy you.

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS  hex heads are more maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece  connects to the cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket  on  a 1/4 drive extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under  the seats are 8 screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in  100  count bags.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene  Felker

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

David…….can  you give us the part number on those screws?  Sound like a great upgrade  for my next annual…condition inspection.  Those Phillips head screws behind  the reels are a real pain in the butt. 

FYI…the  seat belts are working out great….  J 

Rene'  Felker 

RV-10  N423CF Flying

801-721-6080   

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David  McNeill

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

One  other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the  NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener  standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet.  Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the  overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I  think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the  panel. 

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall  access panel 

In a past life, I used to have to  pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around  the perimeter--it was a structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually  true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws"  should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!   Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth  checking.

Dave  

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>  wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

Actually, I've heard many times that  it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter  the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

give it  back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

just plan ahead to  make sure you do all you need to make it

just as strong again.   Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad idea.

Tim Olson -  RV-10 N104CD

Miller John wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted  by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>

I'd be a little cautious about  cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by  Van's.

Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength  design.

grumpy

N184JM

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On Jun 17, 2009, at  6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>

Wayne, here's a link to a photo  album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just  follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the  process.

http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html  

Deems Davis N519PJ

http://deemsrv10.com/

Wayne Edgerton  wrote: 

I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access  panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that  and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and  made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area  access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my  oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from  Randy's web site.

So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can  copy you.

Wayne Edgerton N602WT

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

One other thing. use the Makita torque setting at lowest 1?  Then the screws can be removed next time with a reverse torque setting 2  o3?.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David  McNeill

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:39 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

 Also there are other places on the airframe where the NAS  hex heads are more maintenance friendly. The lower cowl where the center piece  connects to the cowl and the firewall.Put the Makita and a 1/4" 12p socket  on  a 1/4 drive extension and they are easy out. Inspection panels under  the seats are 8 screws and easy out. I bought #10, #8, and #6 in  100  count bags.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene  Felker

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:34 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

David…….can  you give us the part number on those screws?  Sound like a great upgrade  for my next annual…condition inspection.  Those Phillips head screws behind  the reels are a real pain in the butt. 

FYI…the  seat belts are working out great….  J 

Rene'  Felker 

RV-10  N423CF Flying

801-721-6080   

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David  McNeill

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:55 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Rear baggage wall  access panel

One  other consideration. You might substitute screws in the baggage area. I used the  NAS comb external hex head and internal Phillips head. meets or exceeds fastener  standards and can be removed with an electric drill and nut driver or ratchet.  Takes me five minutes to remove the screws with the Makita and since I have the  overhead inertial reels a ratchet to remove the two screws behind the reels. I  think a call to Vans is in order given the corrugations in the  panel. 

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:10 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall  access panel 

In a past life, I used to have to  pull off this one little 6" x 6" plate that had a screw about every inch around  the perimeter--it was a structural panel.  Unfortunately, that's usually  true of anything with a lot of screws/bolts/rivets/welds..."lots of screws"  should be the first sign that maybe it needs more than casual treatment!   Not that it can't be doubled up or reinforced, but it's worth  checking.

Dave  

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>  wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

Actually, I've heard many times that  it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter  the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

give it  back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

just plan ahead to  make sure you do all you need to make it

just as strong again.   Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad idea.

Tim Olson -  RV-10 N104CD

Miller John wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted  by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>

I'd be a little cautious about  cutting the panel as it may affect strength of the bulkhead as designed by  Van's.

Might check with them before shortcutting potential strength  design.

grumpy

N184JM

do not archive

On Jun 17, 2009, at  6:45 PM, Deems Davis wrote: 

--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net (deemsdavis(at)cox.net)>

Wayne, here's a link to a photo  album, that shows how I did mine, I copied the idea from Robin Marks. just  follow the links to next image there should be about 20 pics that show the  process.

http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%20The%20Home%20Stretch/slides/DSC06496.html  

Deems Davis N519PJ

http://deemsrv10.com/

Wayne Edgerton  wrote: 

I saw a post at one time where one of you made an access  panel in the back baggage wall and am trying to locate the person that did that  and see his pictures of the panel. I just finished my second conditional and  made up my mind I've got to do something that make it easier for that back area  access. Tons of screws to remove and undoing the seat belts etc. I also have my  oxygen tank attached to the back baggage wall area, which I took the idea from  Randy's web site.

So whoever that was I hope you can post your idea so I can  copy you.

Wayne Edgerton N602WT

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

Subject: Re: Rear baggage wall access panel

Actually, I've heard many times that it is a structural wall,

and that you can't fly without it, and if you alter the back

wall you want to make sure it's sufficiently beefed up to

give it back it's structural-ness.   So, if you cut into it,

just plan ahead to make sure you do all you need to make it

just as strong again.  Contacting Vans on that one wouldn't

be a bad idea.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

Yes, Vans will more than discourage any modification of the rear baggage 

bulkhead.  However, looking at the pictures of  Deems and Waynes door,  I 

think if you were to use #4 rivets along the supporting frame not #3's, AND 

used the same hinge program at the bottom but used ( 9 qty.) #8 nutplates 

and screws - 3, on each side as well as 3 along the top, your strength would 

be there. Yes, you still have 9 screws to remove (with a screw gun this is 

only minutes) but still way less than the 25 - 30 it takes to remove the 

entire bulkhead.



Which now leads to the next question of if this modified portion of the 

bulkhead is now stronger than the other side of the bulkhead how does that 

effect the integrity of the part as designed?  Just a question to ponder - 

no replys needed....



Rich Hansen

10 - Finishing kit

RV-6A, 1000 hrs

Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

FWIW, a mod that I made to the baggage bulkhead was the simple addition

of a couple of female terminals that paralleled the battery.  This

allowed me to directly monitor the battery state (by multimeter) both on

the ground and in flight, recharge the battery, and supplement the

battery with a DC power supply for avionics testing/setup; without

having to remove the bulkhead.  I would do it again in an instant.



Cheers,

Ron

VH-XRM in Oz



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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: Rear baggage wall access panel

An outfit called Microfasteners.com makes a Torx equivalent flat and round head screw. I have used these and like the fact that you don’t have to push like you do on Phillips screws. Better make sure you carry some Torx wrenches with your emergency maint kit if you use them however. (They call them 6 lobe screws and avoid the Torx name.)  

Albert Gardner  

Yuma, AZ  

   

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