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Bill & Sue

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 48
Location: Malvern, Worcs. UK (Defford, Croft Farm)

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

Does anyone have any information or advice on fitting the Singleton firewall mod? I do have a sheet of paper which I think I recall was from Graham but looking for any further information has drawn a blank and the information has disappeared from the LAA site as far as I can see.

There looks to be quite a bit of 'adjustment' to make it fit satisfactorily...

In particular a photo or two may help me avoid filing something off I shouldn't!

Thanks!

Bill

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

this any good Bill?

Graham

From: "Bill &amp; Sue" <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 17:54:34

Subject: Singleton firewall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill &amp; Sue" <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk (Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk)>

Does anyone have any information or advice on fitting the Singleton firewall mod? I do have a sheet of paper which I think I recall was from Graham but looking for any further information has drawn a blank and the information has disappeared from the LAA site as far as I can see.

There looks to be quite a bit of 'adjustment' to make it fit satisfactorily...

In particular a photo or two may help me avoid filing something off I shouldn't!

Thanks!

Bill

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Bill & Sue

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 48
Location: Malvern, Worcs. UK (Defford, Croft Farm)

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Singleton firewall

Graham,



Thanks very much! I should have asked you in the first place of course!

My hazy grasp of what fits where is partly a result of picking back up on the build after a long break....

Regards



Bill

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

Bill & Graham



This was written up by me as Standard Mod 11123 but is not on the LAA web

site (I have just checked).



The text is what Graham has sent with a few minor additions.  I can send

Bill a copy if required.



I will chase it up with LAA

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com 



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Singleton firewall

Bill

no problem, I know the feeling very well!

Graham

From: "Bill &amp; Sue" <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010 19:08:56

Subject: Re: Singleton firewall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill &amp; Sue" <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk (Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk)>

Graham,

Thanks very much! I should have asked you in the first place of course!

My hazy grasp of what fits where is partly a result of picking back up on the build after a long break....

Regards

Bill

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Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Singleton firewall

Hi  Bill,

Perhaps these pix on the gallery link might help. I put sheet silicone, held with little stainless strips, around the holes cut for the engine mount. This provides a good seal around the tubes. There was a good deal of trimming with a dremel to get a good fit. I was going to use fire caulk around the seams but ended up putting insulation over the whole thing anyway so I ommited the sealant. Hope this helps.

Troy Maynor

http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=44024

wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

Yup sure is



thanks



Will



On 19-Oct-10 20:56, Troy Maynor wrote:

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 Hi  Bill,

 Perhaps these pix on the gallery link might help. I put sheet silicone, held with little stainless strips, around the holes cut for the engine mount. This provides a good seal around the tubes. There was a good deal of trimming with a dremel to get a good fit. I was going to use fire caulk around the seams but ended up putting insulation over the whole thing anyway so I ommited the sealant. Hope this helps.

 Troy Maynor

 http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=44024





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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Singleton firewall

I am now confused about the firewall, can I ask, is this for the tri-gear only, is it in addition to the Stainless firewall or instead of? Is it quicker or better?

Some people seem to have used adhesive backed foil sheet over the whole area including surround.

And the FWFD kit includes a quantity of firewall fabric, what is that used for.



I have ordered the engine and fwfd kit and just getting ready for them, I have the shiny firewall plates done.



Regards Graeme

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kit4 (Wagstaff) TBD
Kit3 G-CLXU (Gregory) mono 914 xs Woodcomp
Kit2 G-PATS - (kesterton) Mono Classic 912 warpdrive
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Troy Maynor

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 162

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Singleton firewall

I can't say if it works on the trigear or not. I don't see why not. I think it was designed for both but not sure. It is an alternative to making the stainless one. At first I thought it unuseable but I got to sanding and filing and am very pleased with the results. It is easily removeable after you remove the engine mount.

Troy Maynor

gholland(at)content-strea
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

The Graham Singleton Firewall fits the XS Trigear. It did for mine anyway.

Regards

Gerry



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: Singleton firewall

Graeme

it was designed for both mono and tri gear. Advantage was that all of the holes could be sealed which is almost impossible with the stainless one. It also offers a less draggy space for fast moving colling air to get out of the cowling. Cooling drag is a very significant part of total drag with an efficient airframe like the Europa. Holes are particularly bad, lot of drag plus they allow flames to get through.

Unfortunately I can't make them now. 

Graham

From: graeme bird <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010 18:22:16

Subject: Re: Singleton firewall



--> Europa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk (graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk)>



I am now confused about the firewall, can I ask, is this for the tri-gear only, is it in addition to the Stainless firewall or instead of? Is it quicker or better?

Some people seem to have used adhesive backed foil sheet over the whole area including surround.

And the FWFD kit includes a quantity of firewall fabric, what is that used for.



I have ordered the engine and fwfd kit and just getting ready for them, I have the shiny firewall plates done.



Regards Graeme



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Bill & Sue

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 48
Location: Malvern, Worcs. UK (Defford, Croft Farm)

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Singleton firewall

[quote="Troy Maynor"]Hi  Bill,

Perhaps these pix on the gallery link might help. I put sheet silicone, held with little stainless strips, around the holes cut for the engine mount. This provides a good seal around the tubes. There was a good deal of trimming with a dremel to get a good fit. I was going to use fire caulk around the seams but ended up putting insulation over the whole thing anyway so I ommited the sealant. Hope this helps.

Troy Maynor

Thanks Troy, That is very helpful and a good idea- the sheet silicone makes a nice neat job of it.

Regards



Bill

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