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carlmeek(at)gmail.com
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 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:59 am Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is…. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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Hi,
As Jim and Heather have said, the rigging cup that captures the tip of the Port spar. Not needed to be there for structural reasons, but makes life a whole lot easier to rig the wings.
Would have / should have been Reduxed on during the build, I insist [ when doing Final Inspections] on a 3 ply Bid lay up from the rim, onto the seatback bulkhead [ 1'' x 1'' ] to prevent just this from happening.
If you haven't got Redux about, scuff the can and seat back area with 80 grit paper and bond on with [std ] J B Weld, wipe on a good radius fillet, then do a 3 Bid lay up with whatever epoxy you can get , Zap from you Hobby Store will do for this. It should ''register'' back on to the Redux pad that is left on the seatback, you can release the tip of the Port spar with packing tape and wax, and nip up with a greased bolt with the Port wing rigged to be sure of correct position.
Check the bond of the other one [ on the aft of the Port spar ]that takes the Stb spar tip.
Cheers,
Nev
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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Hi! Carl
It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the rear of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably knocked off by misdirected assembly.
If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard pin to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide the port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn’t pushed right home under the clip?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
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Subject: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is…. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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carlmeek(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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Do you mean the main starboard pin that goes behind the seat cushion? My pin has a double lock on it to totally prevent it coming loose, presumably this is ok without the part? I recently derigged and rigged with no real issues, despite part not being in place.
Regards
Carl
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Hi! Carl
It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the rear of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably knocked off by misdirected assembly.
If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard pin to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide the port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn’t pushed right home under the clip?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is…. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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H! Carl
Yes that is the pin but mine is an Avdel Pin with the expanding balls to retain it in place. So I guess you are OK but it for sure would be very difficult rigging on your own , for my money I would do as Neville has recommended soonest.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 20:49
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Any idea what this is?
Do you mean the main starboard pin that goes behind the seat cushion? My pin has a double lock on it to totally prevent it coming loose, presumably this is ok without the part? I recently derigged and rigged with no real issues, despite part not being in place.
Regards
Carl
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:14, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk (ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk)> wrote:
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Hi! Carl
It is the receptacle can for the port spar and should be reduxed to the rear of the starboard seat back/tank forward bulk head.
It is damaging the ruder cable in the present location. And was probably knocked off by misdirected assembly.
If it is not in position between both spars it will allow the starboard pin to be end loose, and therefore IMHO it is a critical part.
I recently advised putting leading ramps on to this item to safly guide the port spar into the can rather than thumping it off.
It also occurres to me to say that one of your fuel pipes isn’t pushed right home under the clip?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is…. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: Any idea what this is? |
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Hi,
I see this subject has already been well covered. It has been identified as the socket for the starboard (right) wing spar (located behind the port (left) side seat). However it could also be the other locating socket which is bonded to the starboard wing spar itself ! – you don’t say if you have identified which side the offending article originates from.
Neville refers to this (other socket) in his email. The socket needs to be reduxed back (whichever side it is) and held in place with a couple of layers of bid (as per his instructions). The bid can be applied using either the proper resin (Ampreg) or 30 minute Z-poxy will work just as well – may need to warm it to wet the cloth out as it’s a bit gloopy.
Cheers
Carl
(as in Carl Pattinson – G-LABS)
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Meek
Sent: 24 November 2011 12:56
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Any idea what this is?
My engineer just found this floating around in the belly of the aircraft, he was quite worried it could get entangled somewhere and jam a control.
The question is…. What is it? Did it do something important?
Thanks,
-Carl.
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h&jeuropa
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Any idea what this is? |
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The reason we think it is the starboard cup is that the port cup has a hardened washer bonded to it (or it should have!).
The glider wing mod requires removal of the starboard cup due to the increased size of the spar, so if you're not having trouble rigging and anticipate also doing glider wings, that's a reason to leave it off.
Jim & Heather
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