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rvdave

Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Posts: 191

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: Winter Milestone

After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

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Cadillac, MI

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:56 pm Post subject: Winter Milestone

Well, you can't get too far on those baffles until you have the engine cowling done so that you can accurately trim the baffles to the cowling.



 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:43 PM, rvdave <rv610dave(at)gmail.com (rv610dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

  All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

 

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: Winter Milestone

And I KNOW how eager you are to do some more fiberglass......



On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Well, you can't get too far on those baffles until you have the engine cowling done so that you can accurately trim the baffles to the cowling.

 

 On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:43 PM, rvdave <rv610dave(at)gmail.com (rv610dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

   All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

 

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 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:09 pm Post subject: Winter Milestone

Thanks for sharing.  I hate it when I have guys stop by and say 'looks 

the same as the last time I saw it'.  Depressing!  It's a lot of little 

things that take up so much time and show so little progress.

Linn    BTDT



On 2/9/2014 9:43 PM, rvdave wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

 All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share



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 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

 Cadillac, MI





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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:12 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

Try having your RV-10 project in a bunch of crates while you build a new

home.  It's been 2 yers since I've seen the wings and tail of my -10, but

the house is finished (more or less) now and I'm about to break into the

crates and resume work on the RV-10 once again.



By the way, the house is actually a fly-in Bed & Breakfast, located adjacent

to the runway at Smith Mountain lake Airport (W91), near Roanoke, Virginia.

Check out our website at www.bedfordlandings.com and come stay a night or

two with us.



Jack Phillips

40610 - wings

Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia



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Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:16 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

Hey Dave, I'm sitting here feeling good with you.  Getting up off the 

floor and up to full height is a major for sure!  Strapping on that 

beast of a  Lycosaur is even better.



The '10 was my first but as a repeat offender.... is your 'six suddenly 

getting smaller?  I know my Maule was getting slower.



I remember the winter 2008 when I finally had all the big pieces ordered 

and built up.  The fuselage was still on it's rollers but I spent a day 

just moving all the pieces around the hangar and taking pictures.  It 

started looking like a bunch of pieces that WOULD fly sometime soon.  

The big January pick me up!



The glass work on the cowling was a piece of cake compared to the doors 

and cabin work.  The part you might want to skip is fitting the pants 

but I'm sure you know better.



Thanks for sharing.



On 2/9/2014 9:43 PM, rvdave wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

 All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share



 --------

 Dave Ford

 RV6 flying

 RV10 building

 Cadillac, MI

cooprv7(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:09 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

Congrats Dave,

    Very few people (if any) are able to press through a project as significant as building an airplane without at least some pauses.  There is nothing more motivating than seeing progress!  Well done and keep up the momentum, I guarantee it’s worth it in the end.



Marcus



On Feb 9, 2014, at 9:43 PM, rvdave <rv610dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:






After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & begin install-- now in progress...

All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share



--------

Dave Ford

RV6 flying

RV10 building

Cadillac, MI





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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1706
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

I agree that the cowling is easier than the doors and canopy.

However, just wondering if I am the only one where the cowl molding just 

is not right.

While the inner nose behind spinner fits just fine, the outer nose, 

outside the openings, the lower half extends 1/8 to 1/4" further forward 

than the upper cowl.

Since this is some of the thickest part of the glass, it isn't a matter 

of flexing or trimming. While I will fix it, I'm not happy that the fit 

wasn't better right out of the mold. It is the pink version of the 

cowling, and I've got the rest of it fitting fine. Oh well, at least 

hangar temps are getting back to where needed (mid 70s to 80s) for 

mixing epoxy, etc. Apologies to those stuck in cold country.

Kelly

On 2/10/2014 5:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Hey Dave, I'm sitting here feeling good with you.  Getting up off the 

 floor and up to full height is a major for sure!  Strapping on that 

 beast of a  Lycosaur is even better.

 The '10 was my first but as a repeat offender.... is your 'six 

 suddenly getting smaller?  I know my Maule was getting slower.

 I remember the winter 2008 when I finally had all the big pieces 

 ordered and built up.  The fuselage was still on it's rollers but I 

 spent a day just moving all the pieces around the hangar and taking 

 pictures.  It started looking like a bunch of pieces that WOULD fly 

 sometime soon.  The big January pick me up!

 The glass work on the cowling was a piece of cake compared to the 

 doors and cabin work.  The part you might want to skip is fitting the 

 pants but I'm sure you know better.

 Thanks for sharing.

 On 2/9/2014 9:43 PM, rvdave wrote:

> 

>

> After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing 

> and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic 

> that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the 

> year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  

> I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame 

> bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two 

> years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber 

> panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to 

> make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed 

> to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   

> Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease 

> bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed 

> frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, 

> lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & 

> begin install-- now in progress...

> All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

>

> --------

> Dave Ford

> RV6 flying

> RV10 building

> Cadillac, MI

>

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:58 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

I have the pink cowlings and they match up really well.  IIRC, I had to do some grinding and trimming on the lower cowling nose area mating flange and also the upper cowling where it overlaps the flange.  There was a lot of excess epoxy bumps in that area and once they were removed, sanded flat and trimmed, I had a nice fit.  I was very pleased with all of the fiberglass parts supplied by Van's except for the strut fairing cuffs.

From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym(at)aviating.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:39:53 AM

Subject: Re: Winter Milestone

--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>

I agree that the cowling is easier than the doors and canopy.

However, just wondering if I am the only one where the cowl molding just 

is not right.

While the inner nose behind spinner fits just fine, the outer nose, 

outside the openings, the lower half extends 1/8 to 1/4" further forward 

than the upper cowl.

Since this is some of the thickest part of the glass, it isn't a matter 

of flexing or trimming. While I will fix it, I'm not happy that the fit 

wasn't better right out of the mold. It is the pink version of the 

cowling, and I've got the rest of it fitting fine. Oh well, at least 

hangar temps are getting back to where needed (mid 70s to 80s) for 

mixing epoxy, etc. Apologies to those stuck in cold country.

Kelly

On 2/10/2014 5:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 Hey Dave, I'm sitting here feeling good with you.  Getting up off the 

 floor and up to full height is a major for sure!  Strapping on that 

 beast of a  Lycosaur is even better.

 The '10 was my first but as a repeat offender.... is your 'six 

 suddenly getting smaller?  I know my Maule was getting slower.

 I remember the winter 2008 when I finally had all the big pieces 

 ordered and built up.  The fuselage was still on it's rollers but I 

 spent a day just moving all the pieces around the hangar and taking 

 pictures.  It started looking like a bunch of pieces that WOULD fly 

 sometime soon.  The big January pick me up!

 The glass work on the cowling was a piece of cake compared to the 

 doors and cabin work.  The part you might want to skip is fitting the 

 pants but I'm sure you know better.

 Thanks for sharing.

 On 2/9/2014 9:43 PM, rvdave wrote:

> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>

>

> After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing 

> and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic 

> that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the 

> year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  

> I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame 

> bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two 

> years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber 

> panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to 

> make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed 

> to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   

> Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.  Install nose gear, grease 

> bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed 

> frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, 

> lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & 

> begin install-- now in progress...

> All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

>

> --------

> Dave Ford

> RV6 flying

> RV10 building

> Cadillac, MI

>

&g;              -Matt Dralle, List Admin.========

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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

Thanks.... now I have to go take a nap.... just reading all your accomplishments totally wiped me out.... Congrats.... it'll all be worth it.... to end up with the best traveling machine there is.

Don McDonald

     On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:12 AM, David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net> wrote:

  I have the pink cowlings and they match up  really well.  IIRC, I had to do some grinding and trimming on the lower cowling nose area mating flange and also the upper cowling where it overlaps the flange.  There was a lot of excess epoxy bumps in that area and once they were removed, sanded flat and trimmed, I had a nice fit.  I was very pleased with all of the fiberglass parts supplied by Van's except for the strut fairing cuffs.

From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym(at)aviating.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:39:53 AM

Subject: Re: Winter Milestone

--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>

I agree that the cowling is easier than the doors and  canopy.

However, just wondering if I am the only one where the cowl molding just 

is not right.

While the inner nose behind spinner fits just fine, the outer nose, 

outside the openings, the lower half extends 1/8 to 1/4" further forward 

than the upper cowl.

Since this is some of the thickest part of the glass, it isn't a matter 

of flexing or trimming. While I will fix it, I'm not happy that the fit 

wasn't better right out of the mold. It is the pink version of the 

cowling, and I've got the rest of it fitting fine. Oh well, at least 

hangar temps are getting back to where needed (mid 70s to 80s) for 

mixing epoxy, etc. Apologies to those stuck in cold country.

Kelly

On 2/10/2014 5:15 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 Hey Dave, I'm sitting here feeling good with you.  Getting up off the 

 floor  and up to full height is a major for sure!  Strapping on that 

 beast of a  Lycosaur is even better.

 The '10 was my first but as a repeat offender.... is your 'six 

 suddenly getting smaller?  I know my Maule was getting slower.

 I remember the winter 2008 when I finally had all the big pieces 

 ordered and built up.  The fuselage was still on it's rollers but I 

 spent a day just moving all the pieces around the hangar and taking 

 pictures.  It started looking like a bunch of pieces that WOULD fly 

 sometime soon.  The big January pick me up!

 The glass work on the cowling was a piece of cake compared to the 

 doors and cabin work.  The part you might want to skip is fitting the 

 pants but I'm sure you know better.

 Thanks for sharing.

 On 2/9/2014 9:43 PM, rvdave wrote:

>  --> RV10-List message posted by: "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com>

>

> After last year of seeing mediocre progress on my 10 build and seeing 

> and hearing the advancements others have made, it's a little ironic 

> that I would see a milestone (to me) during the coldest months of the 

> year -around 0 degF --huddling around the 100K btu portable heater.  

> I've had my fuselage mounted on a low rolling square tube frame 

> bolted to the wing spar and supporting the tail for the last two 

> years working on interior things, overhead console, carbon fiber 

> panel, electrical stuff--keeping it low for as long as I could to 

> make it easier for access to inside things.  Enough of that, I needed 

> to see progress so bring out the gear legs---drilled and mounted.   

> Grease main bearings & mount wheels--done.   Install nose gear, grease 

> bearing, mount nose wheel---done.  Remove parasitic square tubed 

> frame--done.  It's standing on its own now!  Slide over engine hoist, 

> lift engine & bolt to engine mount--done.   Break out baffle kit & 

> begin install-- now in progress...

> All in the last two weeks---for me a milestone.  Had to share

>

> --------

> Dave Ford

> RV6 flying

> RV10 building

> Cadillac, MI

>

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Winter Milestone

My pink cowling is not cosmetically perfect, in the area you mentioned. But I had a worse problem: the composite sandwich reinforcement around the aft end was too far aft. (Vans questioned my measurement of the prop location; I replied that there was no measurement, I had the prop installed). I had to cut away some of that sandwich, lay in a flat area for the piano hinge, and then re-strengthen the cowl in the area where I had removed the composite layer. For me this was far and away the worst QC problem I encountered.

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RV-10 QB

johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Winter Milestone

 	  jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: 	
		  Try having your RV-10 project in a bunch of crates while you build a new

home.  It's been 2 yers since I've seen the wings and tail of my -10, but

the house is finished (more or less) now and I'm about to break into the

crates and resume work on the RV-10 once again.



By the way, the house is actually a fly-in Bed & Breakfast, located adjacent

to the runway at Smith Mountain lake Airport (W91), near Roanoke, Virginia.

Check out our website at www.bedfordlandings.com and come stay a night or

two with us.



Jack Phillips

40610 - wings

Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia

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Jack,

Great looking place, and it's halfway between Atlanta and Newark - a trip I plan on making a lot. Just might drop in one evening.

John

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: Winter Milestone

Hmm, they must have fixed that. I chose to go with Skybolt fasteners, which some folks had to do a similar reduction of the foam sandwich area to have room for the mounting strip for receptacles. Mine fit without modifiying the rear of the cowl at all, beyond the normal trimming.

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>

  

 My pink cowling is not cosmetically perfect, in the area you mentioned. But I had a worse problem: the composite sandwich reinforcement around the aft end was too far aft. (Vans questioned my measurement of the prop location; I replied that there was no measurement, I had the prop installed). I had to cut away some of that sandwich, lay in a flat area for the piano hinge, and then re-strengthen the cowl in the area where I had removed the composite layer. For me this was far and away the worst QC problem I encountered.

  

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 RV-10 QB

 

 

 

 

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rvdave

Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Posts: 191

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Winter Milestone

Now I see...cowl next, lots of trimming and sanding to fit--little by little...



 	  Quote: 	
		  Well, you can't get too far on those baffles until you have the engine cowling done so that you can accurately trim the baffles to the cowling.

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Cadillac, MI

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

I had the pink cowling (and the old green top).  Evidence of the misfit 

you describe remains evident on my finished aircraft, or at least 

evidence of what I had to do to fix it.  I thought the problem was mine 

alone.

In retrospect, what I did was build up the inner surface with some 

combination of flock/mill/chop.  I don't think I added any cloth. Then I 

ground away the outer surface until flush with the upper outer surface.

The 'trick' I used to do a precision grinding job was to use some sort 

of fat (1/2") grinding bit mounted in a drill stop cage so I could drill 

a series of holes with the exact depth that I wanted to grind away.  

Then I filled those holes with black tinted filler (the black tint was 

from the windshield fairing work).  That enabled me to grind the surface 

down with whatever tool I chose. When the black disappeared, I had  

ground away the right amount of material.

I only remember all of that because it was completed post paint and 

evidence is still visible underneath the spinner.  Please don't look.

Bill "still enjoying playing with the composites and glass dust" Watson

On 2/10/2014 9:39 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I agree that the cowling is easier than the doors and canopy.

 However, just wondering if I am the only one where the cowl molding 

 just is not right.

 While the inner nose behind spinner fits just fine, the outer nose, 

 outside the openings, the lower half extends 1/8 to 1/4" further 

 forward than the upper cowl.

 Since this is some of the thickest part of the glass, it isn't a 

 matter of flexing or trimming. While I will fix it, I'm not happy that 

 the fit wasn't better right out of the mold. It is the pink version of 

 the cowling, and I've got the rest of it fitting fine. Oh well, at 

 least hangar temps are getting back to where needed (mid 70s to 80s) 

 for mixing epoxy, etc. Apologies to those stuck in cold country.

 Kelly

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>

> Hey Dave, I'm sitting here feeling good with you.  Getting up off the 

> floor and up to full height is a major for sure! Strapping on that 

> beast of a  Lycosaur is even better.

>

> The '10 was my first but as a repeat offender.... is your 'six 

> suddenly getting smaller?  I know my Maule was getting slower.

>

> I remember the winter 2008 when I finally had all the big pieces 

> ordered and built up.  The fuselage was still on it's rollers but I 

> spent a day just moving all the pieces around the hangar and taking 

> pictures.  It started looking like a bunch of pieces that WOULD fly 

> sometime soon.  The big January pick me up!

>

> The glass work on the cowling was a piece of cake compared to the 

> doors and cabin work.  The part you might want to skip is fitting the 

> pants but I'm sure you know better.

>

> Thanks for sharing.

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Winter Milestone

The trap I fell into whilst working the forward lips was putting the cowl halves together but off of the airplane and then sanding/filing the front faces perfectly flat. You can't do that because the natural moulded-in contour state of the cowl halves, is slightly different than the installed contour which creates a pursing effect of the front lips. Perfectly planar off the airplane (easiest to work) gave me a wider gap at the sides than the top and bottom once installed.  I also had to build up material behind the lip, especially on the bottom, to be able to make a nice even gap all around when installed. I hope this makes sense. Hard concept to explain. 

So glad that composite work is in the rear view mirror.

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:43 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

I'm thinking it might easier to create close to matching profile with Superfill, then put a couple layers of glass over that for outer strength, without grinding away much of the existing. A few ounces heavier, but no question of strength.

 



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 I had the pink cowling (and the old green top).  Evidence of the misfit you describe remains evident on my finished aircraft, or at least evidence of what I had to do to fix it.  I thought the problem was mine alone.

  

 In retrospect, what I did was build up the inner surface with some combination of flock/mill/chop.  I don't think I added any cloth. Then I ground away the outer surface until flush with the upper outer surface.

 

  

 

 I only remember all of that because it was completed post paint and evidence is still visible underneath the spinner.  Please don't look.

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: Winter Milestone

That sounds like a better approach. 

       

        I can't recall accurately but my guess is that I had already fit       the cowling to the fuselage and the top half gap at the prop was       what I wanted and the bottom turned out to be bit too tight.        Probably a result of spending more time getting the top half gap       right and lazy about getting underneath to insure a good fit on       the bottom.  By the time I noticed the discrepancy it was too       late.

       

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                 I had the pink cowling (and the old green top).                  Evidence of the misfit you describe remains evident on                 my finished aircraft, or at least evidence of what I had                 to do to fix it.  I thought the problem was mine alone.

                 

                 In retrospect, what I did was build up the inner surface                 with some combination of flock/mill/chop.  I don't think                 I added any cloth. Then I ground away the outer surface                 until flush with the upper outer surface.

                 

                                   

                 

                 I only remember all of that because it was completed                 post paint and evidence is still visible underneath the                 spinner.  Please don't look.

                 

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