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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.

I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking

but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.

If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and

weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go

away.  It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on something,

someday............??

BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?

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On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

 etzim62(at)earthlink.net writes:

> 

> <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>

>

> I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape was very 

> unsatisfactory  and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am running 

> it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I received 

> replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as what 

> was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.

>

> I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past but 

> with their current quality control I can no longer recommend them. I 

> recommend Powerfin  for anything running a B box gear reduction.

>

 Eugene,

 The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape 

 leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of Seaplane 

 use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for 

 replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was much 

 thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they went to a 

 thinner tape and they said that the original vender no longer had the 

 thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I found a tape 

 supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample roll. I also found 

 that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no longer bought from them. 

 I never tried the tape because shortly after that I received the Kiev 

 prop. I suspect that they are still using the thin stuff. I don't know 

 how either tape holds up with normal use, but with a lot of water 

 exposure both fail quickly. If you want to try some of the sample 

 roll, let me know.

 I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for 

 Seaplanes.

 Steve

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

So far the best replacement tape I have found for an Ivo or anything 

else that uses tape is the tape that Powerfin sells. Sticks like crazy, 

no peeling problems at all. I have a whole bunch of the tape that 

Aircraft Spruce sells. It would work good on something other than a prop...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



robert bean wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.

 I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking

 but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.

 If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and

 weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go

 away. It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on something,

 someday............??

 BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?

 do not archive

 On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:

     In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

     etzim62(at)earthlink.net writes:



         

         <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>



         I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape

         was very 

         unsatisfactory  and I removed it after only a few hrs. I am

         running 

         it without any leading edge protection for the moment. I

         received 

         replacement edges with the prop but they are the same junk as

         what 

         was on originally. It would be a wast of time to install them.



         I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the past

         but 

         with their current quality control I can no longer recommend

         them. I 

         recommend Powerfin  for anything running a B box gear reduction.



     Eugene,

     The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape

     leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of Seaplane

     use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for

     replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was

     much thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they

     went to a thinner tape and they said that the original vender no

     longer had the thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I

     found a tape supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample

     roll. I also found that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no

     longer bought from them. I never tried the tape because shortly

     after that I received the Kiev prop. I suspect that they are still

     using the thin stuff. I don't know how either tape holds up with

     normal use, but with a lot of water exposure both fail quickly. If

     you want to try some of the sample roll, let me know.

     I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for

     Seaplanes.

      

     Steve



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Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

Thanks Richard,

  I have a 64" Powerfin with the leading edge still as good as new.

My Ivo is a 72" and I believe because it flexes more than the  

Powerfin it is harder for the stainless steel tape to stay attached  

without buckling and cracking. The thing that makes me unhappy is the  

extra leading edges that were supplied with the new Ivo prop were  

folded in half for shipping. They would have an obvious distortion  

even before and after installation.

Perhaps I'll contact Powerfin and give theirs a try.

On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Richard Pike wrote:



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 So far the best replacement tape I have found for an Ivo or  

 anything else that uses tape is the tape that Powerfin sells.  

 Sticks like crazy, no peeling problems at all. I have a whole bunch  

 of the tape that Aircraft Spruce sells. It would work good on  

 something other than a prop...



 Richard Pike

 MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



 robert bean wrote:

> I replaced the tape on my original Warpdrive for cosmetic reasons.

> I think I got it from AC Spruce. Plenty thick and durable looking

> but the problem is with separation at the leading edge.

> If you prebend it with a crease, maybe an iron at low heat, and

> weight it down overnight before applying it, the problem may go

> away. It's back in the box looking good until I stick it on  

> something,

> someday............??

> BB, powerfin, some dings and scars, who knows what fell off?

> do not archive

> On 2, Sep 2006, at 12:31 PM, N27SB(at)aol.com wrote:

>     In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:58:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>     etzim62(at)earthlink.net writes:

>

>         

>         <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>

>

>         I bought a new Ivo recently from CPS . The leading edge tape

>         was very         unsatisfactory  and I removed it after  

> only a few hrs. I am

>         running         it without any leading edge protection for  

> the moment. I

>         received         replacement edges with the prop but they  

> are the same junk as

>         what         was on originally. It would be a wast of time  

> to install them.

>

>         I have had satisfactory experiences with Ivo props in the  

> past

>         but         with their current quality control I can no  

> longer recommend

>         them. I         recommend Powerfin  for anything running a  

> B box gear reduction.

>

>     Eugene,

>     The Firefly I bought from Duane came with a 2 blade IVO. The tape

>     leading edge was holding up OK for the first few hours of  

> Seaplane

>     use. After I dinged it up with a loose bolt I called IVO for

>     replacement tape. That was 2 years ago. The replacement tape was

>     much thinner and failed in about 2 hours. I asked them why they

>     went to a thinner tape and they said that the original vender no

>     longer had the thicker tape. After a few hours on the Internet I

>     found a tape supplier with a thicker tape. They sent me a sample

>     roll. I also found that they had supplied tape to IVO but IVO no

>     longer bought from them. I never tried the tape because shortly

>     after that I received the Kiev prop. I suspect that they are  

> still

>     using the thin stuff. I don't know how either tape holds up with

>     normal use, but with a lot of water exposure both fail  

> quickly. If

>     you want to try some of the sample roll, let me know.

>     I think IVO makes a good product, It just is not suitable for

>     Seaplanes.

>          Steve

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David Lucas

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Europe. based Amsterdam NL

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp

There's quite a good article on Prop balance, harmonics etc on this weeks AvWeb 'MotorHead' column (#15)



http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/193075-1.html



Just helps one appreciate the factors that make for a smooth engine/prop combination.



David.

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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

In a message dated 9/2/2006 12:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, N27SB(at)aol.com writes:

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		  It just is not suitable for Seaplanes. 	


  

 But the Kiev seems ideal.......



  

 Howard Shackleford

FS II

SC

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R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Propellers - IVO or Warp

I bought 4 sets of Powerfin leading edge tape after reading Rev. Pike's recommendation.  My 66" 2 blade Ivo is still on the first set 200hrs later.  The tape is pretty thin.  I didn't see how it could provide enough protection, but it does a great job. 



I often fly off of gravel, sand and crushed granite runways and used to get small dings in the metal tape.  The plastic tape takes it in stride and the prop underneath is undamaged so far.  If you are having tape problems on your Ivo, put the Powerfin tape on it.  Thanks for the tip Mr. Pike.

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Richard Pike

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Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

Thank you for the kind words.  Certain aspects of life have been 

challenging of late, and it's encouraging to know I did somebody some good.

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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R. Hankins wrote:

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 I bought 4 sets of Powerfin leading edge tape after reading Rev. Pike's recommendation.  My 66" 2 blade Ivo is still on the first set 200hrs later.  The tape is pretty thin.  I didn't see how it could provide enough protection, but it does a great job. 



 I often fly off of gravel, sand and crushed granite runways and used to get small dings in the metal tape.  The plastic tape takes it in stride and the prop underneath is undamaged so far.  If you are having tape problems on your Ivo, put the Powerfin tape on it.  Thanks for the tip Mr. Pike.



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 Roger in Oregon

 1992 KXP 503





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jsflan(at)valornet.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: Propellers - IVO or Warp

Richard,



You have done more good that you realized, and your advice is counted on in 

these quarters.  Hang in there. The site below is a standard reference for 

my endeavors and I may even have flaps working tomorrow because of your 

efforts and helpful jpgs. The tailwheel is doing okay and  your 

encouragement and direction have been a help each step on renovating the red 

beast.



This is the gospel of Pike referred to often here

Kolb MKIII Tweaks & Hints



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