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Michael Sharp
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 Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get me started on that.....
See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing???
Thanks a bunch...
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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| I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats...
Break the cats neck!!!
| See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing
that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Before I repaired the fabric I'd do a professional punch test on it.
If you covered and finished the wing with Stitts/Polyfiber products,
and there is adequate UV block, probably ok to repair.
We discovered some fabric on a FS that had very little rip resistance.
Virtually no resistance to tear. This fabric was finished with
something other than Stitts/Polyfiber products.
Best recommendation for me would be to call Jim and Dondi Miller for
answers.
http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
Take care,
john h
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Michael Sharp
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Thanks John,
If I see the cats again that is exactly what I will do!!!
I've emailed Jim and Dondi and am awaiting their response just thought I'd
ask the list also..
Mike
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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At 06:39 PM 1/28/2007, Ulflyer73(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | | rips can be fixed using strips of Feline skin |
,,,Catgut?
-Dana
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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That is a very serious part of the wing. Don't want to have a patch
release in flight.
I have patched fabric with less than 6" rips in that area with
success. I think an important factor is to have plenty overlap of the
damaged area.
john h
mkIII
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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I've heard that cat-gut makes very strong thread!
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Michael Sharp
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Location: Oak Grove, MO (Kansas City)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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That was my first thought, a very critical portion of the wing.
We will see what Jim has to say, I'll post it on the list when I find out...
Thanks to all for the "other" advise.. I may just use it....
A coon ass friend of mine emailed me off list with a recipe for Cat
Gumbo....
Mike
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The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why shouldn't it be?-
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Steve Boetto
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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So many Cats, So few Recipes!
steve do not archive
[quote][b]
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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thats lookimg good you should be flying it in a week [quote][b]
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R. Hankins
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Try the .17 HMR. It is a wonderful cat tonic. It is very effective and makes much less mess than a 12GA. or a .223REM.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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First things first, cat soup is real good, taste just like rabbit.
Seeing what you have there I don't think you got that big of problem
other than just the pain of doing the repair. The biggest issue is
what kind of color top coat (paint) do you have on the fabric?
If it Aero-thane or enamel it may be more work, if it's Poly-tone, it
shouldn't be as bad. It gets down to if you have to remove the top
coat or if you can glue the repair fabric patch to it, if poly-tone,
it would be easier. As John Hauck indicated, talk to the Millers
about what they suggest to prepare the surface for the patch and what
to use to adhere the patch to the original fabric, poly-tac cement or
poly-brush based upon the type of top coat. Really it's not that
bad. Once you get into it, you'll have it done in no time.
jerb
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I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get
me started on that.....
See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing
that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing???
Thanks a bunch...
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The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why
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--It is the same the angels breathe.
Mark Twain,
Roughing it' 1886
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Paul Petty
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
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Michael Sharp
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There is the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I imagine that one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped causing the slashes.. The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are other marks on the top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite Feline sign...
Mike
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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12lbs each?????!!!!!!! That's more like a bobcat or mountain lion. All you
folks suggesting the varmit calibers can forget it. Kitties that big need a
7mm mag.
I did have a similar tear in the top of my Firestar wing. It wasn't from
cats, it was self induced. I had the plane folded and under the open end of
my shop when a summer thunderstorm came through. The tailwheel was on a
small 3 wheeled dolly and a wind gust caught the wings and pushed them into
a 4x4 support post. The result was ugly and made me sick. The repairs, per
the polyfiber manual, are not too noticeable. Will attach a pic or two.
Please do not archive
John Cooley
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Paul Petty
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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John,
Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub yellow areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along?
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Paul Petty
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Mike,
I trust you know what did the damage to the wing but I have a hard time beleving a cat could do that type of damage. You dont have a pissed off girlfriend of wife lurking in your shop do you? hehehe
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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John C:
You did a good job on the wing repair. Really looks good.
Super important area for proper patching. To lose a patch in that
area in flight would blow all the fabric off the wing.
john h
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Paul,
It is poly tone on the fabric. I have cub yellow areothane on the boom tube
and it has the spots too.
I will probably use the Air Tech system on the MK III based on information I
got from a guy that has done a good many cover jobs.
I know that most folks on here use the poly fiber system and Jim and Dondi
Miller are great folks but my experience with the cub yellow has really
turned me off. It has happened to me on two different planes and I have seen
the same spotting to a lesser degree in other poly fiber cub yellow paint
jobs. Besides, the Air Tech looks like will be easier to apply.
I hope to get started covering the MK III this summer. Speaking of covering
MK III's what weight fabric are you folks using?
Later,
John Cooley
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Michael Sharp
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
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Well that's reassuring.
I have a 243 and a 270 that should do the trick.....
Thanks for the info a pics... helps me to feel better....
Mike
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